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From: Mad Scientist Jr on 5 Mar 2010 15:17
I'm sure, but doesn't it depend on what you mean by long-term? CD-Rs
and DVD-Rs can wear out in a few years or be erased by leaving out in
the sunlight too long.
Hard drives can be erased by a strong magnet. Etc. Flash memory has a
limited number of writes, but I'm pretty sure this netbook & card will
be obsolete by the time that comes (maybe a couple of years)... If you
want something permanent then go to Discmakers and have them press
your data to an aluminum CD, maybe that'll last if it doesn't oxidate
first? Maybe make it into a gold record like on the Voyager probe?

> Just for your information: SDHC medias and most other flash drives
> can be erased with a "static electricity" discharge. SDHC and most
> flash drives were never designed as long term storage.

On Mar 5, 9:18 am, smlunatick <yves...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 4:12 am, Mad Scientist Jr <mad.scientist...(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thanks for your reply.
>
> > To clarify, the HP Mini 1000 that I want to do this on has a 8 GB SSD,
> > not a 60 GB PATA.
>
> > The Mini came with XP Home out of the box and although 8 GB is not a
> > lot of space, I have been getting by with installing apps (Office
> > 2003, etc.) to the 16 GB SDHC.
>
> > In some cases I use Microsoft's Junction utility
> > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896768.aspx
> > to fool Windows into storing certain apps & files on the SDHC, and it
> > has been working.
>
> > I also moved my Documents and Settings to the SDHC like shown here
> > http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/1409/move-your-documents-and-settings-...
>
> > So I already am running with apps on the SDHC, the point of trying to
> > extend C:\ to it or move the entire system to the SDHC is so I don't
> > have to keep messing around with Junction creating directory links all
> > over the place, every time space starts to run low.
>
> > Here is the link that shows how to extend the C:\ partition using a
> > partition on a separate device:
> > http://www.partition-tool.com/easeus-partition-manager/extend-system-...
> > see this screenshot:
> > http://www.partition-tool.com/images/resource/extend-partition-pro-c1...
>
> > So I think it's possible, I just need to set the removable bit to
> > "fixed" on this particular SDHC. I'm sure the speed will be the same
> > as it has been - sluggish but fast enough to get by.
>
> > Also to clarify, I don't need a new system - I have a fast laptop and
> > several desktop PCs with good performance for most of the time. The
> > point of this machine is it's ultra-portable and still runs all my
> > apps.
>
> > If I can't figure out how to set the SDHC to fixed, plan B is to get
> > one of those tiny PNY 16 GB thumb drives that fit in the Mini's
> > internal USB slot, and use Lexar's tool
> > http://www.pendriveapps.com/lexar-usb-flip-the-removable-media-bit-tool/
> > to set it to fixed disk.
>
> > Thanks again...
>
> > > You are attempting to span from a
> > > fixed disk (your 60 GB PATA HD)
> > > onto a separate device.
>
> > On Mar 4, 10:39 pm, "LVTravel" <n...(a)nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Mad Scientist Jr" <mad.scientist...(a)gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:210e4b93-38bb-49c5-81bf-879a5f9ea8e2(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > I want to convert my A Data brand 16 GB SDHC (Class 6)
> > > > to type "fixed" instead of "removable"
> > > > so I can install & run XP on the SDHC card,
> > > > or extend the Mini's C:\ drive partition to the card as described
> > > > here:
>
> > > > How to extend system partition (extend c drive) to optimize the
> > > > performance of your computer?
>
> > > >http://www.partition-tool.com/easeus-partition-manager/extend-system-...
>
> > > > Does anyone know where to find the utility or any instructions on how
> > > > to toggle the Removable Media Bit (RMB) for this particular (A Data)
> > > > SDHC card, so Windows and Acronis can see it as a fixed drive?
>
> > > > This problem is described under "On flash drive only the first
> > > > partition works" at the following link:
> > > > http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtrouble_e.html
>
> > > > Any help appreciated!
>
> > > You are under a major misconception. You are attempting to span from a
> > > fixed disk (your 60 GB PATA HD) onto a separate device. This can not be
> > > done using the instructions shown in the link you provided. I do not know
> > > of any way to "combine" the two drives into one on your system. The
> > > instructions show extending a partition on a computer's drive where there is
> > > still space available either on a different partition or unallocated space
> > > on the computer's physical hard drive. Even if you could get the removable
> > > media bit changed and could boot XP off of the SD card you probably would
> > > not get any performance boost and to be quite frank, 16 GB of space is not
> > > enough to properly operate the XP OS and have any programs also installed.
> > > That card can also only handle 6 mbs of data transfer. That is probably
> > > slower than your HD in any case.
>
> > > This machine has a really slow processor and the hard drive is only a 4200
> > > RPM drive (unless you have one of the more upgraded units.) It is going to
> > > be a slow system as the Atom processor in the unit, while faster than
> > > earlier slower processors, is just not up to high end work.
>
> > > I had a friend purchase a new system with a faster model Atom processor than
> > > you have. It had a faster hard drive (5400 rpm) and it was still a dog to
> > > work with compared to my HP that I am writing this on which has a Centrino
> > > processor, 4 GB RAM, XP Pro, 250 GB, 5400 RPM drive. This system sings
> > > along and didn't cost much more than the piece of junk that you have. Heck,
> > > I even have a full size keyboard, a DVD burner and 4 USB ports to your two.
> > > I even have a separate numeric keypad on this full size keyboard. Yes it is
> > > a little heavier but I can do so much more than can be done with a dinky net
> > > book.
From: smlunatick on 8 Mar 2010 12:27
On Mar 5, 8:17 pm, Mad Scientist Jr <mad.scientist...(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm sure, but doesn't it depend on what you mean by long-term? CD-Rs
> and DVD-Rs can wear out in a few years or be erased by leaving out in
> the sunlight too long.
> Hard drives can be erased by a strong magnet. Etc. Flash memory has a
> limited number of writes, but I'm pretty sure this netbook & card will
> be obsolete by the time that comes (maybe a couple of years)... If you
> want something permanent then go to Discmakers and have them press
> your data to an aluminum CD, maybe that'll last if it doesn't oxidate
> first? Maybe make it into a gold record like on the Voyager probe?
>
> > Just for your information:  SDHC medias and most other flash drives
> > can be erased with a "static electricity" discharge.  SDHC and most
> > flash drives were never designed as long term storage.
>
> On Mar 5, 9:18 am, smlunatick <yves...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 5, 4:12 am, Mad Scientist Jr <mad.scientist...(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Thanks for your reply.
>
> > > To clarify, the HP Mini 1000 that I want to do this on has a 8 GB SSD,
> > > not a 60 GB PATA.
>
> > > The Mini came with XP Home out of the box and although 8 GB is not a
> > > lot of space, I have been getting by with installing apps (Office
> > > 2003, etc.) to the 16 GB SDHC.
>
> > > In some cases I use Microsoft's Junction utility
> > >    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896768.aspx
> > > to fool Windows into storing certain apps & files on the SDHC, and it
> > > has been working.
>
> > > I also moved my Documents and Settings to the SDHC like shown here
> > >    http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/1409/move-your-documents-and-settings-...
>
> > > So I already am running with apps on the SDHC, the point of trying to
> > > extend C:\ to it or move the entire system to the SDHC is so I don't
> > > have to keep messing around with Junction creating directory links all
> > > over the place, every time space starts to run low.
>
> > > Here is the link that shows how to extend the C:\ partition using a
> > > partition on a separate device:
> > >    http://www.partition-tool.com/easeus-partition-manager/extend-system-...
> > > see this screenshot:
> > >    http://www.partition-tool.com/images/resource/extend-partition-pro-c1...
>
> > > So I think it's possible, I just need to set the removable bit to
> > > "fixed" on this particular SDHC. I'm sure the speed will be the same
> > > as it has been - sluggish but fast enough to get by.
>
> > > Also to clarify, I don't need a new system - I have a fast laptop and
> > > several desktop PCs with good performance for most of the time. The
> > > point of this machine is it's ultra-portable and still runs all my
> > > apps.
>
> > > If I can't figure out how to set the SDHC to fixed, plan B is to get
> > > one of those tiny PNY 16 GB thumb drives that fit in the Mini's
> > > internal USB slot, and use Lexar's tool
> > >    http://www.pendriveapps.com/lexar-usb-flip-the-removable-media-bit-tool/
> > > to set it to fixed disk.
>
> > > Thanks again...
>
> > > > You are attempting to span from a
> > > > fixed disk (your 60 GB PATA HD)
> > > > onto a separate device.
>
> > > On Mar 4, 10:39 pm, "LVTravel" <n...(a)nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Mad Scientist Jr" <mad.scientist...(a)gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:210e4b93-38bb-49c5-81bf-879a5f9ea8e2(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > I want to convert my A Data brand 16 GB SDHC (Class 6)
> > > > > to type "fixed" instead of "removable"
> > > > > so I can install & run XP on the SDHC card,
> > > > > or extend the Mini's C:\ drive partition to the card as described
> > > > > here:
>
> > > > >    How to extend system partition (extend c drive) to optimize the
> > > > > performance of your computer?
>
> > > > >http://www.partition-tool.com/easeus-partition-manager/extend-system-...
>
> > > > > Does anyone know where to find the utility or any instructions on how
> > > > > to toggle the Removable Media Bit (RMB) for this particular (A Data)
> > > > > SDHC card, so Windows and Acronis can see it as a fixed drive?
>
> > > > > This problem is described under "On flash drive only the first
> > > > > partition works" at the following link:
> > > > >    http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtrouble_e.html
>
> > > > > Any help appreciated!
>
> > > > You are under a major misconception.  You are attempting to span from a
> > > > fixed disk (your 60 GB PATA HD) onto a separate device.  This can not be
> > > > done using the instructions shown in the link you provided.  I do not know
> > > > of any way to "combine" the two drives into one on your system.  The
> > > > instructions show extending a partition on a computer's drive where there is
> > > > still space available either on a different partition or unallocated space
> > > > on the computer's physical hard drive.  Even if you could get the removable
> > > > media bit changed and could boot XP off of the SD card you probably would
> > > > not get any performance boost and to be quite frank, 16 GB of space is not
> > > > enough to properly operate the XP OS and have any programs also installed.
> > > > That card can also only handle 6 mbs of data transfer.  That is probably
> > > > slower than your HD in any case.
>
> > > > This machine has a really slow processor and the hard drive is only a 4200
> > > > RPM drive (unless you have one of the more upgraded units.)  It is going to
> > > > be a slow system as the Atom processor in the unit, while faster than
> > > > earlier slower processors, is just not up to high end work.
>
> > > > I had a friend purchase a new system with a faster model Atom processor than
> > > > you have. It had a faster hard drive (5400 rpm) and it was still a dog to
> > > > work with compared to my HP that I am writing this on which has a Centrino
> > > > processor, 4 GB RAM, XP Pro, 250 GB, 5400 RPM drive.  This system sings
> > > > along and didn't cost much more than the piece of junk that you have.  Heck,
> > > > I even have a full size keyboard, a DVD burner and 4 USB ports to your two.
> > > > I even have a separate numeric keypad on this full size keyboard.  Yes it is
> > > > a little heavier but I can do so much more than can be done with a dinky net
> > > > book.

Long term storage for flash drives should be meaning storing files for
more than a few weeks. The more flash drives one has the less likely
one can remember what is stored on it.
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