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From: felmon on 27 May 2010 10:51
hello,

so I'm kind of stuck.

a couple of days ago I got the rig back from the shop. the fellow knew
enough linux to put Mint on the system for his testing. I believe he felt
it necessary to blow away my Debian install (I gave him permission)
because he wanted to test out Windows 7.

he says Windows 7 sees the tv card.

Mint still doesn't unless I am missing something. the card does not show
via lspci. again, my running assumption is hardware shows up on lspci
even if the appropriate drivers are not there.

the fellow thinks I need the drivers but, if my running assumption is
right, that just shows the limits of his Linux knowledge.

I don't know where to go from here. I figure I will try another install
of Debian. I will make sure the card is onboard during the install. I
have been installing the 'netcd' with Debian 'testing' (which is 'squeeze/
sid').

Felmon
From: Trevor Hemsley on 27 May 2010 12:15
On Thu, 27 May 2010 14:51:05 UTC in comp.os.linux.hardware, felmon
<nemo(a)nowhere.INVALID> wrote:

> a couple of days ago I got the rig back from the shop. the fellow knew
> enough linux to put Mint on the system for his testing. I believe he felt
> it necessary to blow away my Debian install (I gave him permission)
> because he wanted to test out Windows 7.
>
> he says Windows 7 sees the tv card.

Do you trust him to report this accurately? Do you have access to Windows 7 to
install it yourself or can you get them to do it again? Then run Craig Hart's
pci.exe in Windows to dump the pci configuration space so we can see what it
looks like.

There are some things that occur to me that it might be:

the cards are not of the same pci version that the board supports
the cards are not of the correct voltage (but I doubt if they'd fit in the slot
in this case)
the card slots are behind a pci bridge that Linux is not recognising

Have you tried a newer kernel on your distro if one is available?

--
Trevor Hemsley, Brighton, UK
Trevor dot Hemsley at ntlworld dot com
From: felmon on 27 May 2010 23:52
On Thu, 27 May 2010 11:15:48 -0500, Trevor Hemsley wrote:

> On Thu, 27 May 2010 14:51:05 UTC in comp.os.linux.hardware, felmon
> <nemo(a)nowhere.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> a couple of days ago I got the rig back from the shop. the fellow knew
>> enough linux to put Mint on the system for his testing. I believe he
>> felt it necessary to blow away my Debian install (I gave him
>> permission) because he wanted to test out Windows 7.
>>
>> he says Windows 7 sees the tv card.
>
> Do you trust him to report this accurately?

well, come to think of it, no.

> Do you have access to
> Windows 7 to install it yourself or can you get them to do it again?
> Then run Craig Hart's pci.exe in Windows to dump the pci configuration
> space so we can see what it looks like.

alright, I may ask. I don't have any Windows disks.

> There are some things that occur to me that it might be:
>
> the cards are not of the same pci version that the board supports the
> cards are not of the correct voltage (but I doubt if they'd fit in the
> slot in this case)
> the card slots are behind a pci bridge that Linux is not recognising

hmm...

the hardware techie at a local college said something about the newer
mobos using pci-16. not sure what he meant or I may have misunderstood.
his point was that the newer pci spec may not be compatible with older
cards.

trouble is, neither the old tv card nor the newer (Wintv HVR 1600) show
up.

false lead, I guess. nothing on Intel's site about this for the dp43bfl.
<http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/prodbrief/323353.pdf>

>
> Have you tried a newer kernel on your distro if one is available?

yes. I have tried various distributions but to be sure, I haven't paid
close enough attention to the exact kernels. I just tried Ubuntu's 'Lucid
Lynx' or whatever it's called and the techie has some version of Mint.
I've tried OpenSuse 11.2 and Debian Lenny and Sid/Squeeze.

I am not sure I have answered your (or General Schvantzkoph's) questions
adequately. repeat if not please.

I may take it back to that shop and ask the fellow what exactly he saw in
Windows.

frankly, I am pretty close to the end of the road. time is precious. I
think I'll be asking soon for recommendations for a good mobo. I thought
I was on safe ground with Intel, no-brainer.

Felmon
From: General Schvantzkoph on 28 May 2010 09:36
On Thu, 27 May 2010 22:52:26 -0500, felmon wrote:

> On Thu, 27 May 2010 11:15:48 -0500, Trevor Hemsley wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 May 2010 14:51:05 UTC in comp.os.linux.hardware, felmon
>> <nemo(a)nowhere.INVALID> wrote:
>>
>>> a couple of days ago I got the rig back from the shop. the fellow knew
>>> enough linux to put Mint on the system for his testing. I believe he
>>> felt it necessary to blow away my Debian install (I gave him
>>> permission) because he wanted to test out Windows 7.
>>>
>>> he says Windows 7 sees the tv card.
>>
>> Do you trust him to report this accurately?
>
> well, come to think of it, no.
>
>> Do you have access to
>> Windows 7 to install it yourself or can you get them to do it again?
>> Then run Craig Hart's pci.exe in Windows to dump the pci configuration
>> space so we can see what it looks like.
>
> alright, I may ask. I don't have any Windows disks.
>
>> There are some things that occur to me that it might be:
>>
>> the cards are not of the same pci version that the board supports the
>> cards are not of the correct voltage (but I doubt if they'd fit in the
>> slot in this case)
>> the card slots are behind a pci bridge that Linux is not recognising
>
> hmm...
>
> the hardware techie at a local college said something about the newer
> mobos using pci-16. not sure what he meant or I may have misunderstood.
> his point was that the newer pci spec may not be compatible with older
> cards.

That's PCI express 16. PCI is the old parallel interface, PCI Express is
the modern serial interface, current motherboards support both. The slots
are completely different, it's impossible to plug an old PCI card into a
PCI Express slot so you don't have to worry about that.


> trouble is, neither the old tv card nor the newer (Wintv HVR 1600) show
> up.
>
> false lead, I guess. nothing on Intel's site about this for the dp43bfl.
> <http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/prodbrief/323353.pdf>
>
>
>> Have you tried a newer kernel on your distro if one is available?
>
> yes. I have tried various distributions but to be sure, I haven't paid
> close enough attention to the exact kernels. I just tried Ubuntu's
> 'Lucid Lynx' or whatever it's called and the techie has some version of
> Mint. I've tried OpenSuse 11.2 and Debian Lenny and Sid/Squeeze.
>
> I am not sure I have answered your (or General Schvantzkoph's) questions
> adequately. repeat if not please.
>
> I may take it back to that shop and ask the fellow what exactly he saw
> in Windows.
>
> frankly, I am pretty close to the end of the road. time is precious. I
> think I'll be asking soon for recommendations for a good mobo. I thought
> I was on safe ground with Intel, no-brainer.
>
> Felmon

One more thing, are you using the latest BIOS?. If not I'd update the
BIOS before I gave up on this motherboard. Also you should try Fedora 13,
that's the most current distro available.

If you decide to get another motherboard my personal preference is for
Gigabyte motherboards, but that's based on a very small sample. As always
you should look at the reviews on Newegg before buying a board, make sure
that there is a Linux review for the board before buying it.


From: felmon on 29 May 2010 05:25
On Fri, 28 May 2010 13:36:02 +0000, General Schvantzkoph wrote:

>> the hardware techie at a local college said something about the newer
>> mobos using pci-16. not sure what he meant or I may have misunderstood.
>> his point was that the newer pci spec may not be compatible with older
>> cards.
>
> That's PCI express 16. PCI is the old parallel interface, PCI Express is
> the modern serial interface, current motherboards support both. The
> slots are completely different, it's impossible to plug an old PCI card
> into a PCI Express slot so you don't have to worry about that.

ah, ok. I was wondering what he meant. it's frustrating talking to these
guys sometimes, I often don't know if I am confused or they are confused!
I kept saying that there are pci-e slots but the cards in question are
pci and I have four pci slots available but then this fellow threw in
this "pci 16" business.

anyway.

>> frankly, I am pretty close to the end of the road. time is precious. I
>> think I'll be asking soon for recommendations for a good mobo. I
>> thought I was on safe ground with Intel, no-brainer.
>>
>> Felmon
>
> One more thing, are you using the latest BIOS?. If not I'd update the
> BIOS before I gave up on this motherboard.

alright. I will consider this. haven't updated a BIOS in years: do you
still need to somehow boot to DOS?

> Also you should try Fedora 13, that's the most current distro available.

yeah, tried it last night. sigh.

> If you decide to get another motherboard my personal preference is for
> Gigabyte motherboards, but that's based on a very small sample. As
> always you should look at the reviews on Newegg before buying a board,
> make sure that there is a Linux review for the board before buying it.

ok. I will consider a BIOS update.... I am at my limit though. very
unsatisfying.

Felmon

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