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From: Rick Jones on 24 Mar 2010 20:28 Having used HP Integrity systems (Intel Itanium based) with EFI and later UEFI on them, and having used from time to time x86 systems with BIOS, I have to say I am rather more fond of the (U)EFI environment. Yes, I understand one can chain boot loaders and whatnot, but the ability to have multiple, otherwise disjoint (no chaining, don't care if you pull one of them) boot discs has been a plus, as has the "dbprofile" support. http://docs.hp.com/en/5992-6584/ch09s06.html rick jones having mentioned those things I suspect now I'll get a futher education about BIOS :) -- The glass is neither half-empty nor half-full. The glass has a leak. The real question is "Can it be patched?" these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :) feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH...
From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard on 25 Mar 2010 01:50 > > > having mentioned those things I suspect now I'll get a futher > education about BIOS :) > Very possibly, but I for one agree that chained boot managers/loaders can be difficult to manage. Unfortunately, as I explain on my Frequently Given Answer about the EFI boot process, EFI systems aren't wholly free from such madness. (There you go. Further education about EFI, instead. (-:)
From: Rick Jones on 25 Mar 2010 13:09 In comp.arch Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > having mentioned those things I suspect now I'll get a futher > > education about BIOS :) > > > Very possibly, but I for one agree that chained boot > managers/loaders can be difficult to manage. Unfortunately, as I > explain on my Frequently Given Answer about the EFI boot process, > EFI systems aren't wholly free from such madness. (There you go. > Further education about EFI, instead. (-:) Touche :) I'd love a pointer to your FGA/FAQ rick jones not having directly interacted with (U)EFI on x86 systems, wonders if there is an HP Integrity style EFI boot menu etc. -- oxymoron n, commuter in a gas-guzzling luxury SUV with an American flag these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :) feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH...
From: Scott Lurndal on 25 Mar 2010 18:38 Rick Jones <rick.jones2(a)hp.com> writes: >Having used HP Integrity systems (Intel Itanium based) with EFI and >later UEFI on them, and having used from time to time x86 systems with >BIOS, I have to say I am rather more fond of the (U)EFI environment. >Yes, I understand one can chain boot loaders and whatnot, but the >ability to have multiple, otherwise disjoint (no chaining, don't care >if you pull one of them) boot discs has been a plus, as has the >"dbprofile" support. http://docs.hp.com/en/5992-6584/ch09s06.html > The biggest advantage of UEFI is that it is _NOT_ a traditional BIOS. Anyone who has had to develop a BIOS or develop for a traditional BIOS knows how much of a chore it is; even if one can use flat real mode. UFI runs in long mode if available, protected mode if not. It is much less difficult to create modules (a la option ROM's) that can be loaded into the UEFI framework as boot agents, network boot agents, or custom mainboard initailization agents without needing an ancient 16-bit microsoft compiler. scott
From: Jim Stewart on 25 Mar 2010 19:51
Scott Lurndal wrote: > The biggest advantage of UEFI is that it is _NOT_ a traditional > BIOS. Anyone who has had to develop a BIOS or develop for a traditional > BIOS knows how much of a chore it is; even if one can use flat real mode. But it makes for some damn fine job security... |