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From: David on 5 Aug 2010 10:44
On Jun 9, 4:11 pm, david.bostw...(a)chemistry.gatech.edu (David
Bostwick) wrote:
> In article <wildbilly-A336DD.09490509062...(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>, Billy <wildbi...(a)withouta.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> >In article <huj38u$bs...(a)news-int.gatech.edu>,
> > david.bostw...(a)chemistry.gatech.edu (David Bostwick) wrote:
>
> >> In article
> >> <1682786e-7ea7-4cc6-b356-c8fa38eae...(a)s41g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> >> Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archime...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>  [...]
>
> >> >I don't want an answer from a group of sentimentalists. I want a
> >> >proper scientific
> >> >accounting.
>
> >> Hah.  You want someone to validate your opinions, which can't be done because
>
> >> they're 100% screwball.  You want others to do the experiments, which you
> >> then
> >> ignore or disparage because they don't match your opinions.
>
> >He gave two citations. You just asked the wrong question. You want to
> >know about the piston rings and the piston cylinder, and what happens
> >when an abrasive substance is rubbed between them (loss of compression
> >and huge repair bills, if the polar substance can find its way to the
> >compression chamber).
>
> No, he wants, A) validation of his opinion, regardless of facts, or B) someone
> else to do the work.- Hide quoted text -
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do you like caramel candies? The process of caramelization consists of
heating sugar slowly to around 170 °C (340 °F). As the sugar melts,
the molecules break down and re-form into compounds with a
characteristic color and flavor. This is what happens in your car
engine in the presence of sugar. You are producing caramel candies in
your engine :-)

David
www.2ajobguide.com
From: Angelo Campanella on 5 Aug 2010 11:24

"jbriggs444" <jbriggs444(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a2deb5df-8279-4a77-a722-68231d33f1f5(a)n37g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
On May 31, 11:15 am, Archimedes Plutonium
<plutonium.archime...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> dlzc wrote:
> > Dear Archimedes Plutonium:
> > > Question: when sugar is added to gasoline, I heard it
> > > freezes up a engine?
> > > How does it do that? Does it become a glue?
> > No, it doesn't do anything like that.
> You take the word of a bunch of guys who probably do not have the
> experimental
.......
> That is not really scientific is it, now David.
.........
> I don't want an answer from a group of sentimentalists. I want a
> proper scientific
> accounting.
..........
> Tell me if they truly had x number of engines to waste? Tell me if
> they added the sugar,
> then let the car rest for 24 hours on a tank of gasoline with sugar
> and if the points
> in the car did not become glued with a coating of sugar?
...............
>As I understand it, sugar in the gas is expected to caramelize
>in the engine and generally gum up the works.

(First intelligent answer in days!)

What's with you guys???
Are there no real physicists in this group?

Can't anyone here get beyond foolish speculation?

"Carmelizing" is good, but now we need explanation of the parts that are
affected. The Piston Ring is a good start..

I suspect (no proof) that the most vulerable spot is the seat of al rings in
their slot on the side of all pistons. Carmelized sugar will "glue" the
rings to the sides of their slots in a retraced (inner) position. This
position will result in the *least* amount of (very poor) compression when
running. It also allows oil to run up into the combustion chambers to be
burned or thrown out the exnaust.

The engine "death" then would be slow, where it may run, but produces less
and less propulsion power while burning more and more oil. Anyone pushing
that engine to "get home" would end up frustrated, or with an burned out
engine (used up all oil and burned the bearings), or both.

Any eyewitness accounts?

Ange



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From: Angelo Campanella on 9 Aug 2010 22:39

"Angelo Campanella" <a.campanella(a)att.net> wrote in message news:...
>
> "jbriggs444" <jbriggs444(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a2deb5df-8279-4a77-a722-68231d33f1f5(a)n37g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On May 31, 11:15 am, Archimedes Plutonium
> <plutonium.archime...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> dlzc wrote:
>> > Dear Archimedes Plutonium:
>> > > Question: when sugar is added to gasoline, I heard it
>> > > freezes up a engine?
>> > > How does it do that? Does it become a glue?
>> > No, it doesn't do anything like that.
>> You take the word of a bunch of guys who probably do not have the
>> experimental
> ......
>> That is not really scientific is it, now David.
> ........
>> I don't want an answer from a group of sentimentalists. I want a
>> proper scientific
>> accounting.
> .........
>> Tell me if they truly had x number of engines to waste? Tell me if
>> they added the sugar,
>> then let the car rest for 24 hours on a tank of gasoline with sugar
>> and if the points
>> in the car did not become glued with a coating of sugar?
> ..............
>>As I understand it, sugar in the gas is expected to caramelize
>>in the engine and generally gum up the works.
>
> (First intelligent answer in days!)
>
> What's with you guys???
> Are there no real physicists in this group?
>
> Can't anyone here get beyond foolish speculation?
>
> "Carmelizing" is good, but now we need explanation of the parts that are
> affected. The Piston Ring is a good start..
>
> I suspect (no proof) that the most vulerable spot is the seat of al rings
> in their slot on the side of all pistons. Carmelized sugar will "glue" the
> rings to the sides of their slots in a retraced (inner) position. This
> position will result in the *least* amount of (very poor) compression when
> running. It also allows oil to run up into the combustion chambers to be
> burned or thrown out the exnaust.
>
> The engine "death" then would be slow, where it may run, but produces less
> and less propulsion power while burning more and more oil. Anyone pushing
> that engine to "get home" would end up frustrated, or with an burned out
> engine (used up all oil and burned the bearings), or both.
>
> Any eyewitness accounts?
>
> Ange
>
>



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