From: Tom Lane on
Josh Berkus <josh(a)agliodbs.com> writes:
>> quietly removing NULL is maybe good for compatibility but is wrong for
>> functionality.

> I agree. I wasn't aware of this little misfeature.

> Default display for NULL should be a zero-length string.

That's just as broken as Pavel's suggestion. Unless you have something
that is guaranteed distingishable from the output of any non-null value,
you really can't make a significant improvement here.

regards, tom lane

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From: Pavel Stehule on
2010/5/4 Tom Lane <tgl(a)sss.pgh.pa.us>:
> Josh Berkus <josh(a)agliodbs.com> writes:
>>> quietly removing NULL is maybe good for compatibility but is wrong for
>>> functionality.
>
>> I agree.  I wasn't aware of this little misfeature.
>
>> Default display for NULL should be a zero-length string.
>
> That's just as broken as Pavel's suggestion.  Unless you have something
> that is guaranteed distingishable from the output of any non-null value,
> you really can't make a significant improvement here.
>

I wouldn't modify current two params string_to_array and
array_to_string function. So there are not any default string (maybe
empty string) for NULL. My proposal is new three params functions with
>>>explicit<<< "null string" definition. This cannot break
compatibility and enhance functionality - It is just short cut for
code from my proposal - in C this functionality can by implemented
much faster.

Regards
Pavel

>                        regards, tom lane
>

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From: Pavel Stehule on
2010/5/4 Josh Berkus <josh(a)agliodbs.com>:
>
>> quietly removing NULL is maybe good for compatibility but is wrong for
>> functionality.
>
> I agree.  I wasn't aware of this little misfeature.
>
> Default display for NULL should be a zero-length string.
>

I disagree - NULL is NULL, not empty string (Oracle is different)

if array_to_string is equivalent to

x[1] || sep || x[2] || sep || x[3] || sep ....

then correct result is NULL

and then string_to_array and array_to_string are correct, because
string_to_array cannot contain any NULL symbol.

Regards
Pavel Stehule



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From: Pavel Stehule on
2010/5/4 Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule(a)gmail.com>:
> 2010/5/4 Tom Lane <tgl(a)sss.pgh.pa.us>:
>> Josh Berkus <josh(a)agliodbs.com> writes:
>>>> quietly removing NULL is maybe good for compatibility but is wrong for
>>>> functionality.
>>
>>> I agree.  I wasn't aware of this little misfeature.
>>
>>> Default display for NULL should be a zero-length string.
>>
>> That's just as broken as Pavel's suggestion.  Unless you have something
>> that is guaranteed distingishable from the output of any non-null value,
>> you really can't make a significant improvement here.
>>
>
> I wouldn't modify current two params string_to_array and
> array_to_string function. So there are not any default string (maybe
> empty string) for NULL. My proposal is new three params functions with
>>>>explicit<<< "null string" definition. This cannot break
> compatibility and enhance functionality - It is just short cut for
> code from my proposal - in C this functionality can by implemented
> much faster.

I did some coding - the patch can be very simple

postgres=# select array_to_string(array[1,2,3,4,5,null],',','*');
array_to_string
-----------------
1,2,3,4,5,*
(1 row)

Time: 0,501 ms
postgres=# select
string_to_array(array_to_string(array[1,2,3,4,5,null],',','*'),',','*');
string_to_array
------------------
{1,2,3,4,5,NULL}
(1 row)

Time: 0,617 ms

postgres=# select string_to_array('1,2,3,4,5,*',',','*')::int[];
string_to_array
------------------
{1,2,3,4,5,NULL}
(1 row)

Time: 0,652 ms

and then string_to_array and array_to_string are orthogonal with NULL.

Pavel


>
> Regards
> Pavel
>
>>                        regards, tom lane
>>
>
From: Merlin Moncure on
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> and then string_to_array and array_to_string are orthogonal with NULL.

I like the behavior, but should it share the name with the 2 argument
version given the incompatibility? Maybe make a new function
to_string(anyarray, sep, nullsym='') and deprecate the old one?

merlin

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