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From: John Passaniti on 12 Dec 2009 22:12
On Dec 11, 11:50 pm, gavino <gavcom...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> 154 IQ

Really? I'd like to know what standardized test that was. On most
standardized IQ tests I'm aware of, a score of 154 puts you beyond 99%
of the people on the planet. Somehow I doubt it.

For me, one of the best measures of intelligence is the quality of
questions one asks. One of my professional roles is to design and
conduct technical interviews for job candidates. And one technique I
use to help evaluate candidates is to ask a questions that force them
to ask me for more information. The results are often stunning. I've
seen people with impressive academic credentials and past job titles
come in-- people you would assume would have high intelligence-- who
ask questions that show they don't know how to solve problems. One
fellow looked at one of my questions, said "cannot be solved with the
information given", and then asked to move on to the next question.
When I asked him if there were any additional details I could add to
help him solve the problem, he said, "if you don't know the problem
well enough to describe it, then how would you expect me to solve
it?" Go ahead and guess if he was hired.

So regardless of your claims regarding intelligence, what the rest of
us have in this newsgroup is your words-- the questions you ask and
how you respond to answers. Intelligence is many things, but in the
context of this newsgroup, intelligence is a measure of how you solve
problems. And I just don't see a lot of problem solving from you. I
see endless "could Forth do X" questions even after being told
repeatedly that Forth is a general purpose programming language that
can do anything. The question is never if Forth can do X. The
question is if Forth is the better than other options for doing X.

Intelligence is also about the ability to learn and apply that
learning. So, what have you learned from your time in
comp.lang.forth? How have you been able to apply what you've learned?
From: Brad on 14 Dec 2009 11:44
On Dec 11, 10:36 pm, gavino <gavcom...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ha ha!
> you are funny
> thanks for reminding me to be humble
> no point in fighting with people
> idea is to conquer nature so that I can have all the food and sleep I
> want.

You might start by conquering Forth. It's not hard to learn, although
Forth's dirty little secret is that it takes several years to learn to
write "good" Forth. For many people, 5 to 10 years. But then, anything
worthwhile is like that. It helps to believe that it will be worth it.
For me it was worth it.

-Brad
From: gavino on 15 Dec 2009 03:13
On Dec 12, 7:12 pm, John Passaniti <john.passan...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 11, 11:50 pm, gavino <gavcom...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 154 IQ
>
> Really?  I'd like to know what standardized test that was.  On most
> standardized IQ tests I'm aware of, a score of 154 puts you beyond 99%
> of the people on the planet.  Somehow I doubt it.
>
> For me, one of the best measures of intelligence is the quality of
> questions one asks.  One of my professional roles is to design and
> conduct technical interviews for job candidates.  And one technique I
> use to help evaluate candidates is to ask a questions that force them
> to ask me for more information.  The results are often stunning.  I've
> seen people with impressive academic credentials and past job titles
> come in-- people you would assume would have high intelligence-- who
> ask questions that show they don't know how to solve problems.  One
> fellow looked at one of my questions, said "cannot be solved with the
> information given", and then asked to move on to the next question.
> When I asked him if there were any additional details I could add to
> help him solve the problem, he said, "if you don't know the problem
> well enough to describe it, then how would you expect me to solve
> it?"  Go ahead and guess if he was hired.
>
> So regardless of your claims regarding intelligence, what the rest of
> us have in this newsgroup is your words-- the questions you ask and
> how you respond to answers.  Intelligence is many things, but in the
> context of this newsgroup, intelligence is a measure of how you solve
> problems.  And I just don't see a lot of problem solving from you.  I
> see endless "could Forth do X" questions even after being told
> repeatedly that Forth is a general purpose programming language that
> can do anything.  The question is never if Forth can do X.  The
> question is if Forth is the better than other options for doing X.
>
> Intelligence is also about the ability to learn and apply that
> learning.  So, what have you learned from your time in
> comp.lang.forth?  How have you been able to apply what you've learned?

communication is important

be interesting to see who you consider intelligent
From: gavino on 15 Dec 2009 03:18
On Dec 14, 8:44 am, Brad <hwfw...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 11, 10:36 pm, gavino <gavcom...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ha ha!
> > you are funny
> > thanks for reminding me to be humble
> > no point in fighting with people
> > idea is to conquer nature so that I can have all the food and sleep I
> > want.
>
> You might start by conquering Forth. It's not hard to learn, although
> Forth's dirty little secret is that it takes several years to learn to
> write "good" Forth. For many people, 5 to 10 years. But then, anything
> worthwhile is like that. It helps to believe that it will be worth it.
> For me it was worth it.
>
> -Brad

I guess I have an inner fear of not getting anywhere.
Intimidation I suppose.
From: Bruce McFarling on 15 Dec 2009 15:12
On Dec 15, 3:15 am, gavino <gavcom...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I wish to have a biz not a job.
> I am confident I could outdo a person 4 levels up from my current job
> in my current company.
> jobs are so stultifyingly limiting.

Then get a pair of the same model cheap Chinese netbooks, identify a
market opportunity that they cannot tap with their existing software
base which will possibly go untapped due to resource constraint, and
*contact* someone to fill that opportunity and vest the rights with
you. The pair is so you can verify the deliverable benchmark is hit as
they progress.

Then start with medium lots, for which you aim to merely break-even at
first, and start selling the cheap netbooks with the enhanced
capabilities on eBay. If you succeeded, you can shortly move up to
larger lots and start earning a living, if you failed, the
unwillingness to pay extra for your product versus the vanilla
competition will tell you that you failed.

That brings together the three things required to start the biz: the
hardware capability, the software capability, and the venture capital.
Since you can't bring the first two to the table, it will have to be
the third.

And the way our economy is set up, putting in the financial capital
that is at risk of loss of the project fails is the default way of
getting a business started - the strategy of bringing the skilled
labor to the table and starting up on a shoestring is more often a way
of turning an inexpensive hobby into a more expensive one.
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