From: Pubkeybreaker on 6 Apr 2010 11:20 On Apr 6, 10:58 am, recoder <kurtulmeh...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 6 Nisan, 17:11, Chip Eastham <hardm...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 6, 9:52 am, Dan <dbri...(a)mit.edu> wrote: > > > > On Apr 6, 9:27 am, recoder <kurtulmeh...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I need to find what x would be in 3^x = 1 mod (p) where p is a prime? > > > > Can we express x in terms of p? > > > > > Thanks in advance... > > > > x = 0 (mod p-1) gives a subset of the set of all solutions, by > > > Fermat's Little Theorem. > > > > There's a conjecture that x = 0 (mod p-1) gives the full set of > > > solutions for infinitely many (but nevertheless, not that many) p: > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artin%27s_conjecture_on_primitive_roots > > > Consider for example 3^x = 1 mod 7. > > Per Fermat's Little Theorem, > > 3^6 = 1 mod 7, and in fact x = 6 is > > the smallest positive integer solution. > > > However 3^7 = 1 mod 1093, showing that > > as Dan implies above, the smallest > > exponent can be a proper divisor of p-1. > > > regards, chip > > Thanks a lot. I wonder if there is a solution for 3^x = y mod (p) > where y= 2^z and z is integer.- Hide quoted text - Only if y is in 3's orbit.
From: Chip Eastham on 6 Apr 2010 11:52 On Apr 6, 10:58 am, recoder <kurtulmeh...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 6 Nisan, 17:11, Chip Eastham <hardm...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 6, 9:52 am, Dan <dbri...(a)mit.edu> wrote: > > > > On Apr 6, 9:27 am, recoder <kurtulmeh...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I need to find what x would be in 3^x = 1 mod (p) where p is a prime? > > > > Can we express x in terms of p? > > > > > Thanks in advance... > > > > x = 0 (mod p-1) gives a subset of the set of all solutions, by > > > Fermat's Little Theorem. > > > > There's a conjecture that x = 0 (mod p-1) gives the full set of > > > solutions for infinitely many (but nevertheless, not that many) p: > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artin%27s_conjecture_on_primitive_roots > > > Consider for example 3^x = 1 mod 7. > > Per Fermat's Little Theorem, > > 3^6 = 1 mod 7, and in fact x = 6 is > > the smallest positive integer solution. > > > However 3^7 = 1 mod 1093, showing that > > as Dan implies above, the smallest > > exponent can be a proper divisor of p-1. > > > regards, chip > > Thanks a lot. I wonder if there is a solution for 3^x = y mod (p) > where y= 2^z and z is integer. It's a standard result of elementary number theory that the field Z/pZ (p prime) has a cyclic multiplicative group (the group of all nonzero residues with respect to the field multiplication). Any generator of this group is called a "primitive" element. The Artin conjecture on primitive roots that Dan pointed you to early says (in a particular case) that 3 should be primitive for infinitely many 3, in which case 3^x = y mod p will have a solution, whatever y happens to be (other than zero). [You ask about y an integral power of 2.] If you pick a prime modulus p where 2 is primitive but 3 is not, then there will not be solutions for 3^x = 2 mod p. One such prime modulus is p = 13, where 2 has order 12 in the multiplicative group but 3 only has order 3 (3^3 = 1 mod 13). regards, chip
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