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From: Wolfgang Weisselberg on 8 Nov 2009 20:49 David J Taylor <david-taylor(a)blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >> David J Taylor >>>>>Nikon can make a swivel finder without any great increase in size or >>>>>cost, >>>> How would you know? >>>By comparing Nikon's range of recent DSLRs >> That doesn't even make sense. > I recently upgraded from one Nikon model to another, one with fixed LCD > and the other with swivel LCD. Having the swivel LCD did not - as you > suggested - "make the camera much bigger", nor was the camera > significantly more expensive. I'll not argue about size --- except to point out that there is usually a size difference between low end and high end models (even with the same crop factor). I'll argue that pricing is driven by marketing, not by production and design costs (except for a lower limit below which you've got a loss leader or a 'cheap razor, expensive blades' mixed calculation). Hence: you cannot tell if a swivel finder makes the camera significantly more expensive, even if you were to compare otherwise completely identical models (which you didn't as there aren't, to my best knowledge). At best you'd find out what marketing thinks a swivel LCD is worth --- and if we take your word, "not much" is the answer. -Wolfgang
From: Ray Fischer on 8 Nov 2009 21:20 David J Taylor <david-taylor(a)blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this.co.uk.invalid> wrote: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>>I recently upgraded from one Nikon model to another, one with fixed LCD >>>and the other with swivel LCD. Having the swivel LCD did not - as you >>>suggested - "make the camera much bigger", >> >> Which two cameras? > >It was from the D60 to the D5000, Ray. Although the brochure lists the >depth as increasing from 64mm to 80mm, the actual depth change with a lens >attached is around 5mm, as shown by the DP Review illustrations: > > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond60/page3.asp - 64mm > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond5000/page4.asp - 69mm Almost double the price going fromk 10MP to 12MP? And from DPReview ... The D5000 is something of a departure for Nikon - it's bigger than the D40/D60 sized cameras but still smaller than the D80/D90 body style. And it's not exactly what we'd call pretty. From a conceptual point of view, the D5000 is most of a D90 shoe-horned into a D60 body with an articulated screen added to the back, and it looks as if the designers took that as an instruction for what it should look like. It's adorned with a profusion of bumps, lumps and nubs. In many respects, the D5000 harks back to the D50 - it's a surprisingly large compared to its peers and, unlike recent little Nikons, has a feature set that will prompt many a debate about whether to buy this camera or the model above. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: Ray Fischer on 8 Nov 2009 22:23 SamSez <samtheman(a)verizon.net> wrote: >"Charles" <charlesschuler(a)comcast.net> wrote in news:hd25no$ft2$1 >@news.eternal-september.org: > >> Very positive! > >No auto CA correction. Because the camera doesn't have to use cheap lenses. You can actually use lenses that don't need correction for chromatic aberration. And because it's absurd to expect the camera to have a database for dozens to hundreds of lenses, some of which don't even exist yet. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: Ray Fischer on 9 Nov 2009 01:44 Outing Trolls is FUN! <otif(a)trollouters.org> wrote: > rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >>SamSez <samtheman(a)verizon.net> wrote: >>>"Charles" <charlesschuler(a)comcast.net> wrote in news:hd25no$ft2$1 >>>@news.eternal-september.org: >>> >>>> Very positive! >>> >>>No auto CA correction. >> >>Because the camera doesn't have to use cheap lenses. You can actually >>use lenses that don't need correction for chromatic aberration. > >NO lens exists that Go away, lying troll. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: David J Taylor on 9 Nov 2009 03:13
"Wolfgang Weisselberg" <ozcvgtt02(a)sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:p19ks6-k0r.ln1(a)ID-52418.user.berlin.de... [] > I'll not argue about size --- except to point out that there is > usually a size difference between low end and high end models > (even with the same crop factor). Agreed. > I'll argue that pricing is driven by marketing, not by production > and design costs (except for a lower limit below which you've > got a loss leader or a 'cheap razor, expensive blades' mixed > calculation). Hence: you cannot tell if a swivel finder makes > the camera significantly more expensive, even if you were to > compare otherwise completely identical models (which you didn't > as there aren't, to my best knowledge). At best you'd find out > what marketing thinks a swivel LCD is worth --- and if we take > your word, "not much" is the answer. > > -Wolfgang Agreed that price-setting is somewhat artificial, although that's not as true of today's DSLRs as it was a few years back. If anything, the price of some high-end P&S is being hiked. If the swivel LCD doesn't add to the cost, for whatever reason, then that's great for the consumer. Cheers, David |