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From: Rod Speed on 7 Feb 2010 15:47 Bret Cahill wrote: >>>>> There's something about agriculture that encourages invention. >>>> Monotony I expect. >>> Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done, or >>> the crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being able >>> to keep things working and to improvise. >> >>> A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant >>> engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 >>> car batteries. Same deal, different situation. >> Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield. > Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some > disaster that will wipe out the competition and limit supply. > A crop adjuster in Florida explained why he has job security. > "Farmers won't plant without crop insurance." Plenty do just that. > Since each field creates it's own eco system bugs from > cotten end up in lettuce, GM crops pollinate non GM, etc. Nope, different bugs for different crops, stupid. > It's hard to coordinate local farmers on these issues. Dont need to. > Right now no one back east wants to drive to the store to buy lettuce for a cold > salad so lettuce prices should plunge or the lettuce will just get plowed under. It doesnt work like that either. > Most industries aren't like this. Yes, but that has nothing to do with invention.
From: Bret Cahill on 7 Feb 2010 16:44 > >>>>> There's something about agriculture that encourages invention. > >>>> Monotony I expect. > >>> Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done, or > >>> the crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being able > >>> to keep things working and to improvise. > > >>> A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant > >>> engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 > >>> car batteries. Same deal, different situation. > >> Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield. > > Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some > > disaster that will wipe out the competition and limit supply. > > A crop adjuster in Florida explained why he has job security. > > "Farmers won't plant without crop insurance." > > Plenty do just that. Depends on the location. Florida has cold snaps, hurricanes and citrus canker. In some areas of California farmers have complete control over everything except maybe markets. They can check out prices and start planting whatever is in short supply the next day. > > Since each field creates it's own eco system bugs from > > cotten end up in lettuce, GM crops pollinate non GM, etc. > Nope, different bugs for different crops, The different crops are right next to each other. The overspray from crop dusting is a big issue for organic farmers. > > It's hard to coordinate local farmers on these issues. .. . . > > Right now no one back east wants to drive to the store to buy lettuce for a cold > > salad so lettuce prices should plunge or the lettuce will just get plowed under. > It doesnt work like that either. Check out Safeway, Publix or Albertsons web pages in a few days. > > Most industries aren't like this. > Yes, but that has nothing to do with invention. The routine of other industries may be deadening. There's a lot of innovation in the oil bidness too and for many of the same reasons. Bret Cahill
From: Rod Speed on 7 Feb 2010 17:22 Bret Cahill wrote: >>>>>>> There's something about agriculture that encourages invention. >>>>>> Monotony I expect. >>>>> Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done, >>>>> or the crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being >>>>> able to keep things working and to improvise. >>>>> A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power >>>>> plant engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting >>>>> almost 200 car batteries. Same deal, different situation. >>>> Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield. >>> Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some >>> disaster that will wipe out the competition and limit supply. >>> A crop adjuster in Florida explained why he has job security. >>> "Farmers won't plant without crop insurance." >> Plenty do just that. > Depends on the location. Nope, most places have some risk. > Florida has cold snaps, hurricanes and citrus canker. And that means that crop insurance doesnt come cheap. > In some areas of California farmers have complete > control over everything except maybe markets. Wrong, most obviously with the rain. > They can check out prices and start planting whatever is in short supply the next day. And then it can not rain etc and they are fucked. And it may not be in short supply by harvest time too. >>> Since each field creates it's own eco system bugs from >>> cotten end up in lettuce, GM crops pollinate non GM, etc. >> Nope, different bugs for different crops, > The different crops are right next to each other. And the bugs that like cotton dont like lettuce etc. > The overspray from crop dusting is a big issue for organic farmers. Not the bugs you ignorantly waffled on about. >>> It's hard to coordinate local farmers on these issues. You dont fix overspray by coordination either. >>> Right now no one back east wants to drive to the store to buy >>> lettuce for a cold salad so lettuce prices should plunge or the >>> lettuce will just get plowed under. >> It doesnt work like that either. > Check out Safeway, Publix or Albertsons web pages in a few days. The price of lettuce is nothing like that. >>> Most industries aren't like this. >> Yes, but that has nothing to do with invention. > The routine of other industries may be deadening. And it may not be too. > There's a lot of innovation in the oil bidness too and for many of the same reasons. Nope, different reasons entirely.
From: Les Cargill on 7 Feb 2010 18:49 John Larkin wrote: > On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:56:56 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill > <BretCahill(a)peoplepc.com> wrote: > >>>>>> There's something about agriculture that encourages invention. >>>>> Monotony I expect. >>>>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...(a)netfront.net --- >>>> Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done, or the >>>> crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being able to keep >>>> things working and to improvise. >>>> A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant >>>> engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car >>>> batteries. Same deal, different situation. >>>> Cheers >>>> Phil Hobbs >>> Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield. >> Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some disaster that >> will wipe out the competition and limit supply. > > But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful > stuff. > > John > They only make money on whatever subsidy-insurance payments they get, according to the movie "King Corn". Er, at least for large-bulk crops like corn, this is true. Arbitrageurs are not without value; neither are lawyers. You're being a *bit* Platonic ( or was it Aristotle? ) who decried interest. Said that money is but a symbol, and interest was treating money as a good, and that this was reifying the symbol. Well, we embraced that fully, and out lives got better. The increase in farming productivity since around 1820 is nothing short of a miracle, but even miracles have costs. We all eat; not everybody farms... -- Les Cargill
From: jmfbahciv on 8 Feb 2010 09:22
John Larkin wrote: > On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:56:56 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill > <BretCahill(a)peoplepc.com> wrote: > >>>>>> There's something about agriculture that encourages invention. >>>>> Monotony I expect. >>>>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...(a)netfront.net --- >>>> Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done, or the >>>> crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being able to keep >>>> things working and to improvise. >>>> A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant >>>> engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car >>>> batteries. Same deal, different situation. >>>> Cheers >>>> Phil Hobbs >>> Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield. >> Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some disaster that >> will wipe out the competition and limit supply. > > But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful > stuff. > Farmers are futures traders. That's how they buy and sell. the problems with that Board of Trade occur when non-farmers come in and speculate. /BAH |