From: Bret Cahill on
> >>>>>> But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
> >>>>>> stuff.
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> Not only that,
>
> >>>>> "The American farmer is the only man in our economy
> >>>>> who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
> >>>>> he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."
>
> >>>>> John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960
>
> >>>>> JF
> >>>> Shows how stupid he was.
>
> >>>> /BAH
> >>> Never vote for anyone with charisma.
>
> >> ---
> >> /BAH for president!!!
>
> >Can't, I'm allergic to politics.
>
> >/BAH
>
> Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
> congressman. Prison would be less tedious.

Public service isn't an easy job. If you aren't fastidious about who
is offering you money you wind up in prison.

I once laughed at the new federal building getting named after Tampa
congressman Sam Gibbons.

"What did he ever do beside get some retiree's social security check
remailed?"

Then I started to back calculate . . .


Bret Cahill

From: jmfbahciv on
John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:46:43 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv(a)aol> wrote:
>
>> John Fields wrote:
>>> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:29:39 -0800, John Larkin
>>> <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:25:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv(a)aol> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Fields wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
>>>>>> <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Not only that,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The American farmer is the only man in our economy
>>>>>> who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
>>>>>> he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JF
>>>>> Shows how stupid he was.
>>>>>
>>>>> /BAH
>>>> Never vote for anyone with charisma.
>>> ---
>>> /BAH for president!!!
>>>
>> Can't, I'm allergic to politics.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
> congressman. Prison would be less tedious.
>
In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
not a career path.

/BAH
From: Bret Cahill on
> >>>>>>> But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
> >>>>>>> stuff.
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>> Not only that,
>
> >>>>>> "The American farmer is the only man in our economy
> >>>>>> who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
> >>>>>> he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."
>
> >>>>>> John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960
>
> >>>>>> JF
> >>>>> Shows how stupid he was.
>
> >>>>> /BAH
> >>>> Never vote for anyone with charisma.
> >>> ---
> >>> /BAH for president!!!
>
> >> Can't, I'm allergic to politics.
>
> >> /BAH
>
> > Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
> > congressman. Prison would be less tedious.
>
> In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
> not a career path.

According to Tocqueville in _Democracy In America_ (1833) poor
Americans went into public service to make money.

Tocqueville said at first it might seem surprising that the American
democracy could flourish with such disreputable sleaze bags in power.

The political scientist then pointed out that was confusing cause and
effect:

"The American democracy doesn't thrive because of the elected
magistrates. It thrives because the public officials are elective."

He went on to say the prince in an aristocracy could have every virtue
and ruin his country while the politician could have every vice and
wind up, in spite of himself, helping his country.

Your ignorance of American political history isn't unique. The _New
York Times_ is always trying to get everyone to believe that Pat
Robertson's brand of fascism came over on the Mayflower when no less
than 7 state constitutions including many from the South prohibited
priests and ministers from holding public office, "and public opinion
prevented it everywhere else."

The historians who wrote the PBS _Civil War_ documentary presented U.
S. Grant's life as interesting because he made and lost his fortune
several times.

In a functional democracy _everyone_ makes and loses many fortunes
over his lifetime.

Historical revisionism isn't unique to the U. S. either. 70 years
after the French Revolution most French attributed widespread property
ownership to their Revolution.

Researching archives and earlier commentary Tocqueville showed in _The
Ancien Regime and the Revolution_ that half the land of France was
owned by the peasants before the Revolution.


Bret Cahill



From: Bret Cahill on
> >>>>>>>> But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
> >>>>>>>> stuff.
> >>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>> Not only that,
>
> >>>>>>> "The American farmer is the only man in our economy
> >>>>>>> who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
> >>>>>>> he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."
>
> >>>>>>> John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960
>
> >>>>>>> JF
> >>>>>> Shows how stupid he was.
>
> >>>>>> /BAH
> >>>>> Never vote for anyone with charisma.
> >>>> ---
> >>>> /BAH for president!!!
>
> >>> Can't, I'm allergic to politics.
>
> >>> /BAH
>
> >> Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
> >> congressman. Prison would be less tedious.
>
> >In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
> >not a career path.
>
> >/BAH
>
> It was also a part-time job, performed by real people who lived and
> worked among the people they represented. A simpler time fer sure.

At the constitutional convention someone suggested the president work
for free.

Madison answered, "don't depend on patriotism."


Bret Cahill


From: jmfbahciv on
John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:34:16 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv(a)aol> wrote:
>
>> John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:46:43 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv(a)aol> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Fields wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:29:39 -0800, John Larkin
>>>>> <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:25:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv(a)aol> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Fields wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
>>>>>>>> <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Not only that,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The American farmer is the only man in our economy
>>>>>>>> who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
>>>>>>>> he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JF
>>>>>>> Shows how stupid he was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /BAH
>>>>>> Never vote for anyone with charisma.
>>>>> ---
>>>>> /BAH for president!!!
>>>>>
>>>> Can't, I'm allergic to politics.
>>>>
>>>> /BAH
>>> Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
>>> congressman. Prison would be less tedious.
>>>
>> In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
>> not a career path.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> It was also a part-time job, performed by real people who lived and
> worked among the people they represented. A simpler time fer sure.
>
I don't think it was simpler.

/BAH