From: Rod Speed on
John Larkin wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote
>> John Larkin wrote
>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote
>>>> Jasen Betts wrote
>>>>> Bret Cahill<BretCahill(a)peoplepc.com> wrote

>>>>>> There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

>>>>> Monotony I expect.

>>>> Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job
>>>> done, or the crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium
>>>> on being able to keep things working and to improvise.

>>>> A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power
>>>> plant engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting
>>>> almost 200 car batteries. Same deal, different situation.

>>> Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.

>> Nope, you hardly ever die from it.

>>> The few farmers I've known were very intelligent
>>> and very versatile and did pretty well.

>> You clearly dont know very many of them. Some
>> are complete duds as any real farmer will tell you.

>>> They would weld up a new tractor part in the morning and
>>> expand their network of wireless soil moisture sensors in the
>>> afternoon. One farmer I still know has a day job as a chemist
>>> for Chevron, and is really, really rich. My first daddy-in-law
>>> was a Cajun sugar cane farmer in Lousiana and left a tidy
>>> estate to my older daughter, the only grandkid he really liked.

>>> Most farmers are cool dudes.

>> Some of them are complete duds, just like in any field.

> But being self-employed, the duds tend to go out of the farming business,

It is one area where you can manage a reasonably
decent standard of living as long as you arent too bad.

> unless the government is paying them to not grow corn.
> Even I could learn how to not grow corn.

And even if you arent paid to not grow it, it isnt that hard to eke out an existence.

> Compare to business, industry, and politics where there are
> lots of duds with job security. Especially unionized duds.

Yes, but you also have job security when you decide who gets hired and fired too.

Particularly if you inhereted the farm, it isnt hard to bludge off a share cropper etc.


From: John Larkin on
On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:56:56 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
<BretCahill(a)peoplepc.com> wrote:

>> >>> There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.
>>
>> >> Monotony I expect.
>>
>> >> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...(a)netfront.net ---
>>
>> >Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. �You have to get the job done, or the
>> >crops fail and you lose your farm. �Puts a premium on being able to keep
>> >things working and to improvise.
>>
>> >A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
>> >engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car
>> >batteries. �Same deal, different situation.
>>
>> >Cheers
>>
>> >Phil Hobbs
>>
>> Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.
>
>Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some disaster that
>will wipe out the competition and limit supply.

But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.

John

From: John Fields on
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:56:56 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
><BretCahill(a)peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>>> >>> There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.
>>>
>>> >> Monotony I expect.
>>>
>>> >> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...(a)netfront.net ---
>>>
>>> >Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. �You have to get the job done, or the
>>> >crops fail and you lose your farm. �Puts a premium on being able to keep
>>> >things working and to improvise.
>>>
>>> >A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
>>> >engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car
>>> >batteries. �Same deal, different situation.
>>>
>>> >Cheers
>>>
>>> >Phil Hobbs
>>>
>>> Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.
>>
>>Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some disaster that
>>will wipe out the competition and limit supply.
>
>But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
>stuff.

---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF
From: John Larkin on
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:25:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv(a)aol> wrote:

>John Fields wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
>> <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:56:56 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
>>> <BretCahill(a)peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.
>>>>>>> Monotony I expect.
>>>>>>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...(a)netfront.net ---
>>>>>> Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done, or the
>>>>>> crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being able to keep
>>>>>> things working and to improvise.
>>>>>> A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
>>>>>> engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car
>>>>>> batteries. Same deal, different situation.
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>> Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.
>>>> Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some disaster that
>>>> will wipe out the competition and limit supply.
>>> But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
>>> stuff.
>>
>> ---
>> Not only that,
>>
>> "The American farmer is the only man in our economy
>> who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
>> he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."
>>
>> John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960
>>
>> JF
>
>Shows how stupid he was.
>
>/BAH

Never vote for anyone with charisma.

John

From: John Fields on
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:29:39 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:25:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv(a)aol> wrote:
>
>>John Fields wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
>>> <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>>>> But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
>>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Not only that,
>>>
>>> "The American farmer is the only man in our economy
>>> who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
>>> he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."
>>>
>>> John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960
>>>
>>> JF
>>
>>Shows how stupid he was.
>>
>>/BAH
>
>Never vote for anyone with charisma.

---
/BAH for president!!!

JF