A Lesson In Sagnac and Rotating frames, For Paul, Tom and Jerry.
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From: Jerry on 15 Feb 2010 05:49 On Feb 15, 2:30 am, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:42:10 -0800 (PST), Jerry > > <Cephalobus_alie...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > >>On Feb 14, 3:13 am, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> When are you going to apologize for posting forged degrees? > > >>That's not going to work, Eric. > > >>You see, Henry really believes that his degree is legitimate. An > >>advanced degree, such as a PhD or DSc, is conferred upon a person > >>by a committee of the degree candidate's peers in the subject of > >>entry, who agree that the candidate's accomplishments, [1] as > >>manifest in a tangible work of art (such as a dissertation, > >>composition, work of craft etc. as appropriate for the subject) > >>[2] and, as may or may not be necessary depending on the subject, > >>defended in an appropriate venue (such as a dissertation defense), > >>[3] are such that he/she is worthy of welcome to the community of > >>peers. > > >>Henry has a body of work (i.e. his online writings and computer > >>programs) which in his mind, he has successfully defended against > >>all criticism. Since there is nobody in the world whom Henry > >>respects as a peer, he has no choice but to set himself as head > >>of the degree-conferring organization. > > >>Deluded? You bet. > > > Note, I made a glaring error in my original message. > > I have admitted the same and corrected it. > > > Sagnac fully supports BaTh. > > >>Jerry > > > Henry Wilson... > > > .......provider of free physics lessons > > Imagine that - Henri ignores the discussion of his faked degrees to discuss > something nobody really cares about.- Hide quoted text - Note that Henri has not denied any of my analysis. He -believes- it...everything except the "Deluded? You bet" part. Jerry
From: Inertial on 15 Feb 2010 06:34 "Henry Wilson DSc" <..@..> wrote in message news:ap8in5tohn0as7kl3mvdohbc300jokcvkm(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:14:33 +1100, "Inertial" <relatively(a)rest.com> > wrote: > >> >>"eric gisse" <jowr.pi.nospam(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:hlanj0$kpt$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> Jerry wrote: >>> >>>> On Feb 14, 3:13 am, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> When are you going to apologize for posting forged degrees? >>>> >>>> That's not going to work, Eric. >>> >>> Its' been working great. It shuts him down immediately. He stops with >>> his >>> little one-liner 'give me the last word!!!' idiocies rather quick once I >>> started doing that. >>> >>> In regular discussions he snips all references to his forged degrees and >>> refuses to discuss it. He won't engage in any discussion when that's the >>> only topic. >>> >>> [..] >>> >>>> Deluded? You bet. >>>> >>>> Jerry >>> >>> Oh yeah. But he still has enough sense of shame to be embarrassed about >>> it >>> when confronted. >> >>Nope .. like any facts he doesn't like .. he ignores it. If he ignores >>it, >>then it doesn't exist and there is no need for him to be embarrassed >>(which >>would require him to have some integrity .. he clearly has none). > > When are you going to say something intelligent? Case proven.
From: Paul B. Andersen on 15 Feb 2010 08:13 On 12.02.2010 00:33, Henry Wilson DSc wrote: > Paul and Jerry are standing together on the equator of an Earthlike planet, > next to an optical fibre that encircles the planet, WHICH IS NOT ROTATING. Its > circumference is 40 million metres. > > //===================C======================// optical fibre around equator > _____________v<-_____p___q_______________________surface (actually curved) > > (the surface is drawn flat for convenience. The fibre goes right around the > planet) > > Paul's clock emits light pulses every 3.33 nanoseconds through both ends of the > fibre. The pulses are labelled according to their emission times and move at c > wrt the fibre and the clock. The linear distance between each pulse is > therefore 1 metre. Each pulse takes ~4E7/3E8 (0.133) seconds to pass through > the fibre in either direction. > > Since the planet is not rotating, the pulses returning to C were emitted and > detected by Jerry at point p. At any instant, 40 million pulses are in transit > around the planet in each direction. > > Tom observes that the pulses arriving simultaneously from both fibres carry > identical labels. > > Using powerful rockets, the planet is sent into rotation with a period of 1 > day, (86400 seconds). Its surface rotation speed 'v' wrt the nonrotating frame > is 465 m/s. > > In this new situation, the pulses that arrive at C when it is at point p, were > not emitted at that point but rather from an imaginary point q, which is at > rest in the nonR frame and moving away from C at speed -v in C's R frame. > > Each pulse takes still takes (0.133) seconds to pass through the fibre in > either direction. > Therefore the distance p-q = 465.(4/30) metres.....or 62 metres. > > Since the distance between pulses is still 1 metre in the C's frame, there are > now 40000062 pulses moving through the fibre in one direction but only 39999938 > moving in the other. > > "That's odd", says Tom, "now, for some reason, the pulses coming from the left > fiber left Paul's clock 0.266 seconds ahead of those arriving from the right. > Which one should I use to synch my clock?" > > "This is great", says Jerry after some deliberation, "now we can build a ring > gyro that will detect absolute rotation, based entirely on Henry Wilson's > BaTh". Good grief, Ralph. :-) Yet again you have made a giant fool of yourself. I wonder how long it will take this time before you realize that you have made a giant, unbelievable stupid blunder. I bet it will take a very long time, and if it eventually should dawn to you, you will never admit it. What will you do then? Start a new thread with a modified 'experiment'? :-) I won't bother to tell you what your blunder is. I will tell you a story, though. I have a circular tube. It is not rotating. At one point in that tube, there is a source/target device (STD) which is emitting marbles at a constant speed 1 m/s relative to the STD. When a marble has moved around the circuit and gets back to the STD, it is re-emitted by the STD. The circumference of the circle is 10m. So there are at any time 10 marbles in the tube, and it takes 10 seconds for a marble to go around the circle. Now we let the circle rotate with one rotation in 10 seconds, in the same direction as the marbles are moving, which means that the STD is moving at 1 m/s in the non rotating frame. In this new situation, the marble that arrive at the STD when it is at point p, were not emitted at that point but rather from an imaginary point q, which is at rest in the nonR frame and moving away from the STD at speed -1 m/s in the STD R frame. Each marble still takes 10 seconds to pass through the tube. Therefore the distance p-q = (1 m/s * 1 second) metres.....or 1 metre. Since the distance between marbles is still 1 metre in the STD's frame, there are now 11 marbles moving through the tube. "This is great", says Ralph after some deliberation, "now we can build a ring gyro that will detect absolute rotation, based entirely on Ralph Rabbidge's marble creating fairies. -- Paul http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
From: eric gisse on 15 Feb 2010 11:04 ...@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote: > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:54:40 -0800, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nospam(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>Jerry wrote: >> >>> On Feb 14, 3:13 am, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> When are you going to apologize for posting forged degrees? >>> >>> That's not going to work, Eric. >> >>Its' been working great. It shuts him down immediately. He stops with his >>little one-liner 'give me the last word!!!' idiocies rather quick once I >>started doing that. >> >>In regular discussions he snips all references to his forged degrees and >>refuses to discuss it. He won't engage in any discussion when that's the >>only topic. >> >>[..] >> >>> Deluded? You bet. >>> >>> Jerry >> >>Oh yeah. But he still has enough sense of shame to be embarrassed about it >>when confronted. > > When are you going to say something intelligent? When are you going to apologize for posting forged degrees? > > > Henry Wilson... > > .......provider of free physics lessons
From: Henry Wilson DSc on 15 Feb 2010 17:24
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:13:02 +0100, "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen(a)somewhere.no> wrote: >On 12.02.2010 00:33, Henry Wilson DSc wrote: >> Paul and Jerry are standing together on the equator of an Earthlike planet, >> next to an optical fibre that encircles the planet, WHICH IS NOT ROTATING. Its >> circumference is 40 million metres. >> >> //===================C======================// optical fibre around equator >> _____________v<-_____p___q_______________________surface (actually curved) >> I recognized my mistake and immediately corrected it. The pulses that leave together arrive together. If you want to comment, use my later version in which the pulse arrival rates are different from both directions. The theory should be obvious to anyone with a higher IQ than inertial. Henry Wilson... ........provider of free physics lessons |