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From: Y.Porat on 11 Jan 2010 12:32 On Jan 11, 4:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 11, 2:01 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 10, 9:11 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 10, 1:06 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > do you think that there are more than one mass > > > > physical entity ??? > > > > For instance 'gravitational mass' or 'relativistic mass' > > > > **in addition** to the inertial mass that Newton first defined > > > > To Newton and me a mass as a quantity of matter. > > > The difference is this: > > > He thought the mass of a body is the sum of the > > > mass of an atom times the number of atoms in that > > > body; where -- if you study his words carefully, > > > ALL atoms were identical thus had the same weight. > > > To me, mass is a quantity of matter whether or not > > > it is formed into atoms and whether or not it has any > > > weight. > > > > glird > > > ---------------- > > nice !! > > now about relativistic mass: > > 1 > > as some of us said > > it was abandoned long ago > > for cleaver people not for dunb mathematiocians > > and we saw it ion my thread: > > 'there is jsut one kind of mass' > > one of my main clames was at th3e > > momentum case > > i showed that > > **no one has any way to show that in > > > Gamma m v > > > the gamma does not belongs to the mass > > IT BELONGS TO MV AS > > *** ONE*** PHYSICAL ENTITY!!!** > > The gamma doesn't belong to anything. I don't know where you got the > idea that factors in a product can be assigned to belong to each > other. > > > and no one has a prove that it belongs > > *only to the mass*!!! > > > ATB > > Y.Porat > > ------------------- no PD YOU are telling ME that ??? dont youthink that anything is documented to the last word ??? i said it in my hread 'THEERE IS JUST ONE KIND OF MASS' anyone can see it there it is from a few weeks before only so no one can cj heat about it !! (you count too much on my short memory or on your short memory !!!) i explaned it before you !!! and explined it unprecedented !! that the gamma factor belongs to the mv!! **as one physical entity** to the mass only !!! 2 if so there is no relativistic mass ! no prove that the gamma belongs to mass only there is no precedence to that explanation of mine !!! UNLESS you bring former evidence (anyway i ddint hear it from nobody before me it was cooked in my mind during the above thread !!) and still you dont understand its very revolutionary meaning that i will bring later that will shake all your past claimes like ""the photon has no mass etc etc ""!! you refused to answer my last question to you whther there is jsut one kind of mass and tomorow you willtell every body that you toght me that 'there is jsut one kind of mass' !! and the conclusion of it is that ** THE PHOTON HAS MASS !!!** AND THAT ENERGY IS MASS IN MOTION EVEN IN MICROCOSM !!! SO TO MOROW YOU WILL SAY THAT EVEN THAT - it was claimed 50 years ago ) there is a limit to impertinence !! (AT THE AGE OF GOOGLE !!) and then you wil tell every body that it was done 80 years before me !!! **or even better** that you explained it to me first !!! Y.Porat --------------------
From: eric gisse on 11 Jan 2010 12:52 Inertial wrote: [...] > As explained to you MANY times before .. it doesn't 'belong to', nor is > it > 'attached to' mass or velocity or mv or anything else. Noone (other than > you) has made any claims about gamma being attached to anything. Many == As about as frequently as he has said it since 2003 onwards. Frankly I'm just waiting for him to die, at this point.
From: PD on 11 Jan 2010 13:45 On Jan 11, 11:32 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 11, 4:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 11, 2:01 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 10, 9:11 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 10, 1:06 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > do you think that there are more than one mass > > > > > physical entity ??? > > > > > For instance 'gravitational mass' or 'relativistic mass' > > > > > **in addition** to the inertial mass that Newton first defined > > > > > To Newton and me a mass as a quantity of matter. > > > > The difference is this: > > > > He thought the mass of a body is the sum of the > > > > mass of an atom times the number of atoms in that > > > > body; where -- if you study his words carefully, > > > > ALL atoms were identical thus had the same weight. > > > > To me, mass is a quantity of matter whether or not > > > > it is formed into atoms and whether or not it has any > > > > weight. > > > > > glird > > > > ---------------- > > > nice !! > > > now about relativistic mass: > > > 1 > > > as some of us said > > > it was abandoned long ago > > > for cleaver people not for dunb mathematiocians > > > and we saw it ion my thread: > > > 'there is jsut one kind of mass' > > > one of my main clames was at th3e > > > momentum case > > > i showed that > > > **no one has any way to show that in > > > > Gamma m v > > > > the gamma does not belongs to the mass > > > IT BELONGS TO MV AS > > > *** ONE*** PHYSICAL ENTITY!!!** > > > The gamma doesn't belong to anything. I don't know where you got the > > idea that factors in a product can be assigned to belong to each > > other. > > > > and no one has a prove that it belongs > > > *only to the mass*!!! > > > > ATB > > > Y.Porat > > > ------------------- > > no PD > YOU are telling ME that ??? > dont youthink that anything is documented > to the last word ??? > i said it in my hread > 'THEERE IS JUST ONE KIND OF MASS' > anyone can see it there it is from a few weeks before only so no one > can cj > heat about it !! > (you count too much on my short memory or on your short memory !!!) > i explaned it before you !!! > and explined it unprecedented !! > that the gamma factor belongs to the > mv!! **as one physical entity** > to the mass only !!! It does NOT belong to mv. I don't know where you got the idea that gamma belongs to anything. > 2 > if so there is no relativistic mass ! > no prove that the gamma belongs to mass only > there is no precedence to that explanation of mine !!! > UNLESS you bring former evidence > (anyway i ddint hear it from nobody before me > it was cooked in my mind during the above thread !!) > and still > you dont understand its very revolutionary meaning > that i will bring later > that will shake all your past claimes like > > ""the photon has no mass etc etc ""!! > you refused to answer my last question to you > whther there is jsut one kind of mass > and tomorow you willtell every body that > you toght me that > 'there is jsut one kind of mass' !! > and the conclusion of it is that > ** THE PHOTON HAS MASS !!!** > AND THAT > ENERGY IS MASS IN MOTION EVEN IN MICROCOSM !!! > SO TO MOROW YOU WILL SAY THAT > EVEN THAT - it was claimed 50 years ago ) > > there is a limit to impertinence !! > (AT THE AGE OF GOOGLE !!) > and then you wil tell every body that it was done > 80 years before me !!! > **or even better** > > that you explained it to me first !!! > Y.Porat > --------------------
From: Y.Porat on 11 Jan 2010 13:48 On Jan 11, 7:32 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 11, 4:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 11, 2:01 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 10, 9:11 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 10, 1:06 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > do you think that there are more than one mass > > > > > physical entity ??? > > > > > For instance 'gravitational mass' or 'relativistic mass' > > > > > **in addition** to the inertial mass that Newton first defined > > > > > To Newton and me a mass as a quantity of matter. > > > > The difference is this: > > > > He thought the mass of a body is the sum of the > > > > mass of an atom times the number of atoms in that > > > > body; where -- if you study his words carefully, > > > > ALL atoms were identical thus had the same weight. > > > > To me, mass is a quantity of matter whether or not > > > > it is formed into atoms and whether or not it has any > > > > weight. > > > > > glird > > > > ---------------- > > > nice !! > > > now about relativistic mass: > > > 1 > > > as some of us said > > > it was abandoned long ago > > > for cleaver people not for dunb mathematiocians > > > and we saw it ion my thread: > > > 'there is jsut one kind of mass' > > > one of my main clames was at th3e > > > momentum case > > > i showed that > > > **no one has any way to show that in > > > > Gamma m v > > > > the gamma does not belongs to the mass > > > IT BELONGS TO MV AS > > > *** ONE*** PHYSICAL ENTITY!!!** > > > The gamma doesn't belong to anything. I don't know where you got the > > idea that factors in a product can be assigned to belong to each > > other. > > > > and no one has a prove that it belongs > > > *only to the mass*!!! > > > > ATB > > > Y.Porat > > > ------------------- > > no PD > YOU are telling ME that ??? > dont youthink that anything is documented > to the last word ??? > i said it in my hread > 'THEERE IS JUST ONE KIND OF MASS' > anyone can see it there it is from a few weeks before only so no one > can cj > heat about it !! > (you count too much on my short memory or on your short memory !!!) > i explaned it before you !!! > and explined it unprecedented !! > that the gamma factor belongs to the > mv!! **as one physical entity** > to the mass only !!! > 2 > if so there is no relativistic mass ! > no prove that the gamma belongs to mass only > there is no precedence to that explanation of mine !!! > UNLESS you bring former evidence > (anyway i ddint hear it from nobody before me > it was cooked in my mind during the above thread !!) > and still > you dont understand its very revolutionary meaning > that i will bring later > that will shake all your past claimes like > > ""the photon has no mass etc etc ""!! > you refused to answer my last question to you > whther there is jsut one kind of mass > and tomorow you willtell every body that > you toght me that > 'there is jsut one kind of mass' !! > and the conclusion of it is that > ** THE PHOTON HAS MASS !!!** > AND THAT > ENERGY IS MASS IN MOTION EVEN IN MICROCOSM !!! > SO TO MOROW YOU WILL SAY THAT > EVEN THAT - it was claimed 50 years ago ) > > there is a limit to impertinence !! > (AT THE AGE OF GOOGLE !!) > and then you wil tell every body that it was done > 80 years before me !!! > **or even better** > > that you explained it to me first !!! > Y.Porat > -------------------- -------------------- IN ADDITION TO THE ABOVE just see post NO 15 of the thread 'there is jsut one kind of mass' quote from it ''why is it that your first entrance to this thread you ddint say LOUD AND CLEAR PORAT YOU ARE RIGTHT -- THERE IS JUST ONE KIND OF MASS ??!! and youcame with it only after some new explaantions of mine?? can you quote another place in whichthose explanations are given??!! that we can only measure momentum and we cant measure th e mass *in that growing momentum!!* (because we have no gauge connected to that mass or whatever another way -- to get in that growing momentum to tell us that the mass was growing !!! and another argument that i brought that th e 'relativistic mass is **disappearing** imediately while the movement STOPES etc etc were are explanations preceding it ------------------------ end of quote i explain why the gamma cannot be related to mass in the momentum!! not only say that it belongs to the momentum BUT EXPLAIN WHY NOT !! becuse we have no experimental way to meaure the mass separately !! and that explanatin is unprecedented !! we have no little guage attached to the mass to tell us that the mass was inflatiing !! that is in addition that i claimed that WE CAN ATTACHE THE GAMMA FACTOR TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE FORMULA P =gamma m v we can do itas P/Gamma = mv!! ie belongs to the mv AND NOT ONLY TO THE m !!!! i ddi it many years ago by writing F/Gamma = mv instead F= gamma m a iow and that is an old claime and explanation of mine to attaching the gamma to the force !!! ie to m a as one unit !!! AND IN ADDITION I EXPLAINED THAT GAMMA IS A SCALAR so it makes no no physical QUALITATIVE change TO THE mv if we put it on the right or left side of the eqauation it makes only a **quantitative** chane !! it is as well documented in my above thread !! in all those examples mv or ma are ONE UN SEPARATED UNIT !!! i call anyone here to bring evidence that such explanations are ever precedented !!! TIA Y.Porat ------------------------- to attache
From: PD on 11 Jan 2010 14:38
On Jan 11, 12:48 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 11, 7:32 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 11, 4:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 11, 2:01 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 10, 9:11 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 10, 1:06 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > do you think that there are more than one mass > > > > > > physical entity ??? > > > > > > For instance 'gravitational mass' or 'relativistic mass' > > > > > > **in addition** to the inertial mass that Newton first defined > > > > > > To Newton and me a mass as a quantity of matter. > > > > > The difference is this: > > > > > He thought the mass of a body is the sum of the > > > > > mass of an atom times the number of atoms in that > > > > > body; where -- if you study his words carefully, > > > > > ALL atoms were identical thus had the same weight. > > > > > To me, mass is a quantity of matter whether or not > > > > > it is formed into atoms and whether or not it has any > > > > > weight. > > > > > > glird > > > > > ---------------- > > > > nice !! > > > > now about relativistic mass: > > > > 1 > > > > as some of us said > > > > it was abandoned long ago > > > > for cleaver people not for dunb mathematiocians > > > > and we saw it ion my thread: > > > > 'there is jsut one kind of mass' > > > > one of my main clames was at th3e > > > > momentum case > > > > i showed that > > > > **no one has any way to show that in > > > > > Gamma m v > > > > > the gamma does not belongs to the mass > > > > IT BELONGS TO MV AS > > > > *** ONE*** PHYSICAL ENTITY!!!** > > > > The gamma doesn't belong to anything. I don't know where you got the > > > idea that factors in a product can be assigned to belong to each > > > other. > > > > > and no one has a prove that it belongs > > > > *only to the mass*!!! > > > > > ATB > > > > Y.Porat > > > > ------------------- > > > no PD > > YOU are telling ME that ??? > > dont youthink that anything is documented > > to the last word ??? > > i said it in my hread > > 'THEERE IS JUST ONE KIND OF MASS' > > anyone can see it there it is from a few weeks before only so no one > > can cj > > heat about it !! > > (you count too much on my short memory or on your short memory !!!) > > i explaned it before you !!! > > and explined it unprecedented !! > > that the gamma factor belongs to the > > mv!! **as one physical entity** > > to the mass only !!! > > 2 > > if so there is no relativistic mass ! > > no prove that the gamma belongs to mass only > > there is no precedence to that explanation of mine !!! > > UNLESS you bring former evidence > > (anyway i ddint hear it from nobody before me > > it was cooked in my mind during the above thread !!) > > and still > > you dont understand its very revolutionary meaning > > that i will bring later > > that will shake all your past claimes like > > > ""the photon has no mass etc etc ""!! > > you refused to answer my last question to you > > whther there is jsut one kind of mass > > and tomorow you willtell every body that > > you toght me that > > 'there is jsut one kind of mass' !! > > and the conclusion of it is that > > ** THE PHOTON HAS MASS !!!** > > AND THAT > > ENERGY IS MASS IN MOTION EVEN IN MICROCOSM !!! > > SO TO MOROW YOU WILL SAY THAT > > EVEN THAT - it was claimed 50 years ago ) > > > there is a limit to impertinence !! > > (AT THE AGE OF GOOGLE !!) > > and then you wil tell every body that it was done > > 80 years before me !!! > > **or even better** > > > that you explained it to me first !!! > > Y.Porat > > -------------------- > > -------------------- > IN ADDITION TO THE ABOVE > > just see post NO 15 of the thread > 'there is jsut one kind of mass' > quote from it > ''why is it that your first entrance to this thread > you ddint say LOUD AND CLEAR > PORAT YOU ARE RIGTHT -- > THERE IS JUST ONE KIND OF MASS ??!! Porat you are right, there is just one kind of mass. Congratulations for stumbling on something that has already been known for 50 years. Please also tell me that you'd like to be told that, yes, indeed, you are right when you say that 3+3=6. > and youcame with it > only after some new explaantions of mine?? > can you quote another place > in whichthose explanations are given??!! > > that we can only measure momentum > and we cant measure th e mass *in that growing momentum!!* > (because we have no gauge connected to that mass > or whatever another way -- > to get in that growing momentum to tell us that the mass was > growing !!! > and another argument that i brought > that th e 'relativistic mass is **disappearing** > imediately while the movement STOPES etc etc > were are explanations preceding it > ------------------------ > end of quote > i explain why the gamma cannot be related to mass in the momentum!! > > not only say that it belongs to the momentum > BUT EXPLAIN WHY NOT !! > > becuse we have no experimental way > to meaure the mass separately !! > > and that explanatin is unprecedented !! > we have no little guage attached to the mass > to tell us that the mass was inflatiing !! > that is in addition that i claimed that > WE CAN ATTACHE THE GAMMA FACTOR TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE FORMULA > > P =gamma m v > we can do itas > > P/Gamma = mv!! > ie > belongs to the mv > AND NOT ONLY TO THE m !!!! > i ddi it many years ago by > writing > > F/Gamma = mv > instead > F= gamma m a > iow > and that is an old claime and explanation of mine to > attaching the gamma to the force !!! > ie to m a as one unit !!! > > AND IN ADDITION I EXPLAINED THAT > GAMMA IS A SCALAR > so it makes no no physical > QUALITATIVE change TO THE mv > if we put it on the right or left side of the > eqauation > it makes only a **quantitative** chane !! > it is as well documented in my above thread !! > in all those examples > mv or ma are > ONE UN SEPARATED UNIT !!! > > i call anyone here to bring evidence > that such explanations are ever precedented !!! > > TIA > Y.Porat > ------------------------- > > to attache |