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From: Koobee Wublee on 2 Apr 2010 16:15 On Mar 29, 8:11 am, Tom Adams <tadams...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ Stop mystifying yourself. Einsteins 1905 paper was an attempt on plagiarism of Poincares work. In that paper, you can find tons of mistakes. The center piece is the Lorentz transform bastardized by Poincare from Larmors transform. In the Lorentz transform, due to mutual time dilation and the principle of relativity, simultaneity becomes relative. Several events happening cannot be coherently put together in a precise timeline agreed by all the observers. Relative simultaneity is not how the real world works. Given the coherent results of any interference patterns, the world must obey absolute simultaneity. Larmors transform does not have this problem. All observations must reference back to the absolute frame of reference. Thus, the principle of relativity is not generally holding. It does so only at very low speeds. This always is true for the Voigt transform which influenced Larmor to build his transform. Both Larmors transform and the Voigt transform satisfy the null results of the MMX. The Lorentz transform is a special case to Larmors transform. In general, the Lorentz transform does not possibly apply to the real world. For more information, consult the link below. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/c540aaf23412f1e2?hl=en
From: Dirk Van de moortel on 2 Apr 2010 16:23 Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee(a)gmail.com> wrote in message e2ed1d51-e32d-4c7c-9e08-b89d0409e2cd(a)x3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com > On Mar 29, 8:11 am, Tom Adams <tadams...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ > > Stop mystifying yourself. > > Einstein�s 1905 paper was an attempt on plagiarism of Poincare�s > work. In that paper, you can find tons of mistakes. The center piece > is the Lorentz transform bastardized by Poincare from Larmor�s > transform. In the Lorentz transform, due to mutual time dilation and > the principle of relativity, simultaneity becomes relative. Several > events happening cannot be coherently put together in a precise > timeline agreed by all the observers. Relative simultaneity is not > how the real world works. Given the coherent results of any > interference patterns, the world must obey absolute simultaneity. > > Larmor�s transform does not have this problem. All observations must > reference back to the absolute frame of reference. Thus, the > principle of relativity is not generally holding. It does so only at > very low speeds. This always is true for the Voigt transform which > influenced Larmor to build his transform. Both Larmor�s transform and > the Voigt transform satisfy the null results of the MMX. > > The Lorentz transform is a special case to Larmor�s transform. In > general, the Lorentz transform does not possibly apply to the real > world. For more information, consult the link below. > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/c540aaf23412f1e2?hl=en For a first class character assassination, consult the link below: http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Search/searchresult.html?sw=koobee Dirk Vdm
From: Sam Wormley on 2 Apr 2010 16:56 On 4/2/10 3:15 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote: > Einstein�s 1905 paper was an attempt on plagiarism of Poincare�s > work. In that paper, you can find tons of mistakes. The center piece > is the Lorentz transform bastardized by Poincare from Larmor�s > transform. In the Lorentz transform, due to mutual time dilation and > the principle of relativity, simultaneity becomes relative. Several > events happening cannot be coherently put together in a precise > timeline agreed by all the observers. Relative simultaneity is not > how the real world works. Given the coherent results of any > interference patterns, the world must obey absolute simultaneity. In the 1800s Michael Faraday discovered, or I should say formalized, electromagnetic induction. Given a coil of wire and a bar magnet... F = qE + qv x B Holding the coil stationary and moving the bar magnet produced an electric current in the coil. Similarly holding the bar magnet stationary and moving the coil also produced an electric current in the coil. But in the language of electrodynamics of the day the two cases were distinct independent phenomena that had completely different explanations. When Albert Einstein saw that, he said "Look guys, you've just got to be kidding--Any yo-yo can see that these are the same thing". So it was this little experiment that was really the start of relativity, not the Michelson-Morley Experiment--not some exotic experiment to detect the motion of the earth through the aether. With this simple little phenomenon, that of course everybody knew about, disturbed nobody else, but Albert Einstein. This led him to write a paper that landed on the desks of Annalen der Physik on 30 June, and would go on to completely overhaul our understanding of space and time. Some 30 pages long and containing no references, his fourth 1905 paper was titled "On the electrodynamics of moving bodies" (Ann. Phys., Lpz 17 891-921).
From: spudnik on 2 Apr 2010 18:19 couldn't Poincare have done it without Larmor? Michelson and Morley (and their refiners) did not get this mythical null result! thus quoth: One methodological aspect of the paper on magnetism proved defining for physics to this day. As also for his later work with Wilhelm Weber, in connection with electrical measurement, Gauss determined that the measure of magnetic force must be consistent with the units of measure of mass, length, and time, already in use in other branches of physics. Owing to the philosophical and historical illiteracy of most contemporary physics teaching, however, Gausss intention is nearly always misconstrued, to assume that these units are meant to be self-evident scalar quantities. Rather, as a familiarity with Gausss immediately preceding work on the subject of curvature would show (and, as was made perfectly explicit in the famous 1854 Habilitation thesis of his leading student, Bernhard Riemann,4) Gauss had already introduced a fully relativistic conception into the framework of experimental physics. His 1828 description of the attempt to use state- of-the-art surveying techniques to measure the angular defect of a large terrestrial triangle should make this point evident5: As elaborated 26 years later by Riemann, it is the principal task of physics to determine the nature of the non-constant curvature of the non-Euclidean, multiply-connected geometric manifold which defines the action of physical processes. We will shortly see how, in the joint work with Weber on the determination of the fundamental electrical law, Gauss again introduces an actually relativistic conception, this time in connection with the measure of force. http://21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/spring01/Electrodynamics.html > So it was this little experiment that was really the > start of relativity, not the Michelson-Morley > Experiment--not some exotic experiment to detect the > motion of the earth through the aether. --les OEuvres! http://wlym.com
From: Don Stockbauer on 2 Apr 2010 21:49
On Apr 2, 3:15 pm, Koobee Wublee <koobee.wub...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 29, 8:11 am, Tom Adams <tadams...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ > > Stop mystifying yourself. > > Einsteins 1905 paper was an attempt on plagiarism of Poincares > work. In that paper, you can find tons of mistakes. The center piece > is the Lorentz transform bastardized by Poincare from Larmors > transform. In the Lorentz transform, due to mutual time dilation and > the principle of relativity, simultaneity becomes relative. Several > events happening cannot be coherently put together in a precise > timeline agreed by all the observers. Relative simultaneity is not > how the real world works. Given the coherent results of any > interference patterns, the world must obey absolute simultaneity. > > Larmors transform does not have this problem. All observations must > reference back to the absolute frame of reference. Thus, the > principle of relativity is not generally holding. It does so only at > very low speeds. This always is true for the Voigt transform which > influenced Larmor to build his transform. Both Larmors transform and > the Voigt transform satisfy the null results of the MMX. > > The Lorentz transform is a special case to Larmors transform. In > general, the Lorentz transform does not possibly apply to the real > world. For more information, consult the link below. > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/c540aaf2341... But civilization is advancing at FTL speed even with all these horrible mistakes Einstein made. |