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From: rick_s on 12 Jun 2010 16:02
You know that pi is an infinite number as far as we have been able to
tell and since the concept behind it, is such that we expect also that
it is infinite because t makes sense.

A circle can be so perfect that you can continue to divide between the
points for ever.

But can you? What happens when you get to Plank length?

Well lets suppose we had a single bubble of quantum foam and it was a
sphere, then pi would be part of the universe. Is there a way that we
could have a small bubble that did not need pi?

Well if we had a circle but instead of a simple geodesic curve we had a
sine wave around the circumference. And we said that the diameter is
somewhere in the middle of that sine wave. Then we would have a
circumference and a diameter that were not proportional using pi.

If we took that circle and made it into a sphere, we would end up with a
sort of golf ball. What you would expect if bubbles are tightly packed.
Even at the time of Newton they were trying to figure out the mechanical
properties of the ether and they did come up with ball bearings
suggesting they were smaller than atoms and the stuff of the ether.

But could they have conceived of them being that small?

1.616252(81)×10−35 meters

one -10 20th of the diameter of a proton

What is that a grain of sand compared to the moon? I am too lazy to do
the math but as a frictionless agent, part of the reason for that is
that the beads/bubbles are almost perfectly elastic, and just so damn
small. Water is fluid isn't it? By comparison that water molecule is the
size of the solar system, compared to a grain of sand a quantum foam bubble.

So what does it have in it? A perfect vacuum. Why is it there then?
Negative pressure from the vacuum of space. The big suck.

And that is why the size of them is the size it is. The amount of
pressure from the expansion of the universe against the tension of the
superfluid those foam bubbles are in. You can't have foam without a fluid.

Now the reason that things with intrinsic mass cannot exceed c, is
because it has to plow through those little bubbles. And they have mass.

The universe is tugging outward on them causing them to pulse ever so
slightly in and out and that is linear motion, which requires force to
alter its course. Simple F-ma except that anything that doesn't have
mass like a photon can just vibrate right through.

That's because it is just a wave that is going through.

Where mass comes from, is that tugging outward by the expansion of the
universe.

In an atom, the nucleus is being tugged outward. That is why it has
mass. If it is a heavy element then it is resisting being tugged outward
more, causing the pulsing to be stronger, the distance it pulses
shorter. It becomes like one of those wrist exercisers that you twist
your wrist it revs up the ball inside becomes a gyroscope and gains mass
and you can feel that increase in mass when you move it. It does not
increase in weight.

It resists acceleration. Acelleration pushes those teeny little quantum
foam bubbles together like the front of your head does when you step on
the gas.
At c, that's the light barrier. Thats where you can't squish those
bubbles together any more and they become a brick wall.

But you know when a supermassive black hole explodes, it can flatten
those bubbles back to liquid.

But then what will happen? The universe will tug on that liquid and make
more bubbles.

You could supernova the sun, if you had electro-gravitic technology but
you couldn't destroy the universe.
It is amazingly resilient.
From: rick_s on 12 Jun 2010 17:30
In article <kLYQn.125311$gv4.8291(a)newsfe09.iad>, here(a)my.com says...
>

>In an atom, the nucleus is being tugged outward. That is why it has
>mass. If it is a heavy element then it is resisting being tugged outward
>more, causing the pulsing to be stronger, the distance it pulses
>shorter. It becomes like one of those wrist exercisers that you twist
>your wrist it revs up the ball inside becomes a gyroscope and gains mass
>and you can feel that increase in mass when you move it. It does not
>increase in weight.
>

We can't really call the ether a fluid unless we consider the foam and all as
being in a superfluid state. We really do not know what the ultimate fabric
is, except that it is stretchy and you can make bubbles in it but the material
has some tension that prevents the bubbles from just continuing to expand.

The big suck is big pressure and its fairly uniform. But when a star goes
supernova, thats a lot of pressure too. Such that it goes the other way and
implodes. It implodes but that elasticity and the pull of teh universe to
expand, causes it then to explode out agin only this time you have now got
heavier elements.

Elements have gained weight by being compressed. Now you could say they have
added protons and neutrons and the elements have transmuted but really all
that has happened is that the elements have reached a different balance point,
have a smaller radius, a deeper gravity well but if it is a stable element,
then it is now pulsing in and out with a smaller radius, and more energy.

That gives it more mass because it is a stronger gyroscope pulsing in and out
in that linear motion wanting to stay put. Simple laws of motion.

The reason though that it physically wants to stay put is because it is in
contact with quantum foam around it. That foam, which Newton called absolute
space and EInstein called absolute spacetime, the names they gave reflect that
fact that we just don't know what it is. Since a liquid is made up of
miolecules are we to believe that this superfluid that is making foam bubbloes
has even smaller molecules that make it up?

You see where do you draw the line? So we draw the line at Plank length.
Anything smaller than that we can't detect. The math works with Plank length.

But we can speculate about its properties, and since we know what the behavior
is thanks to Relatvity and we know about the light barrier, and we know a lot
of other sundry information about it by deduction.

For instance if you spin a superfluid in a container then tiny whirlpools
form. Well that is not much different from the front of your head feeling the
force of teh quantum foam against your forehead when you step on the gas.

The molecules in the superfluid are interacting with the quantum foam, and you
know that the whirlpools that form, are quantized proportionally to Plank
Length.

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1996/illpres/whirlpools.h
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From: rick_s on 12 Jun 2010 18:03
In article <D1_Qn.94866$rE4.55319(a)newsfe15.iad>, me(a)my.com says...
>
>The molecules in the superfluid are interacting with the quantum foam, and you
>know that the whirlpools that form, are quantized proportionally to Plank
>Length.
>
>http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1996/illpres/whirlpools.h
>tml
>

Now if you examine that Nobel page from 1996 you can see it mentions the change
of phase in the early universe.

What that refers to is where you look at the big suck as being part of
inflation. The big bang and then the big suck.

Now we are speculating here of course and we could if sufficiently motivated
manufacture a theory that explains how the universe is static or
perhaps the fabric split because of the big suck. Maybe there was no big bang.
If you have a stretchy fabric and toss it into a bell jar and explosively
evacuate the bell jar, you could get foam.

But you need a type of fabric that has those properties. We tend to think of it
as being a superfluid of some kind.

So bang you evacuate teh bell jar, and it is filled with foam bubbles.

The universe continues to suck outwardly since there is no jar just pure vacuum
around the universe tugging outward on that fabric.

Will it reach a point and then rebound back?

It seems to have the tendancy to do that. To rebound. To be rubbery like that.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090323092717.htm

Now that might be an unsettling thought until you realize that all things being
relative the fabric of the universe is expanding into hyperspace not 3D space
and so the tension is strong but it doesn't keep stretching outward.

If the pressure ever stopped it would snap back but how can it?

So in supernova you see that elasticity and you know its there in the fabric,
but we can't say for sure that it will end in heat death. It might just
continue with outward tension.

From: rick_s on 12 Jun 2010 18:31
In article <Kw_Qn.4794$hw5.717(a)newsfe04.iad>, me(a)my.com says...
>

>So in supernova you see that elasticity and you know its there in the fabric,
>but we can't say for sure that it will end in heat death. It might just
>continue with outward tension.
>

But again you see this fabric exhibiting strange proprties. It is expanding
outward like a loaf of bread rising across all of its volume, and at each point
that point expanding. Stand on a point, feel the force of gravity beneath your
feet.

So you see it has to be moving in order for you to feel the force of gravity.

So then in order for it not to be just elastic, it has to be some type of
fabric that is perfectly elastic.

Or else we can expect another change of phase, back to liquid, the bubbles pop,
or a rebound from elasticity.

The heat death concept seems to suggest that the forces will get weaker as the
universe expands. Like a fabric that ends up so thin that it vaporizes in a
way.

There are still lots of choices based on the data we have now.

The most popular still being big bang inflation eventual heat death.

The latest data and study however suggests a more likely scenario might be the
slowing down then snap back except the universe is accellerating outward and
not slowing down.

It's going faster. Which would be what you would expect if the fabric was
getting thinner.


From: rick_s on 12 Jun 2010 18:39
In article <qX_Qn.31903$7d5.6948(a)newsfe17.iad>, me(a)my.com says...
>
>But again you see this fabric exhibiting strange proprties. It is expanding
>outward like a loaf of bread rising across all of its volume, and at each point
>that point expanding. Stand on a point, feel the force of gravity beneath your
>feet.
>
>So you see it has to be moving in order for you to feel the force of gravity.

We could even speculatre on a Gaia universe where by cell division, the quantum
foam is doubling, increasing area according to the inverse square law,
coincidentally the same as gravity itself.

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