AM, FM radio to prove no Doppler Effect exists on lightwaves Chapt 8 #131; ATOM TOTALITY
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From: Archimedes Plutonium on 3 Jun 2010 11:14 Archimedes Plutonium wrote: > Come to think of it, the Michelson interferometer was used to try to > detect the lumiferous aether wind, for the medium of light to travel > in. It was sensitive enough to use the motion > of Earth. Thus it is sensitive enough to see if there is a Doppler > redshift of Sun to Earth or > a blueshift of Sun to Earth. Call it a refurbished Michelson > Interferometer. > And to make matters even better, the AM, and FM radio signal is in fact a Michelson Interferometer setup as is. Now one of the best platforms for this setup is the Space Station orbiting Earth where we can use a radio station planted on the surface and the astronauts inside. So this would be the similar case of the train whistle with sound waves. Now as far as I know, the astronauts in the Space Station can listen to AM and FM radios without any need to compensate for a Doppler shift effect on the signal. So here is a commonplace occurrence of where there this no Doppler shift effect, yet the physics community falsely assumes there is a Doppler effect. The Radio is a makeshift Michelson Interferometer, and the fact that there never was a case of a Doppler effect with any radio ever used, is strong indication that the Doppler Effect cannot exist with lightwaves, due to its violating the Principle of Special Relativity. Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
From: Archimedes Plutonium on 3 Jun 2010 12:53 Jeroen Belleman wrote: > Archimedes Plutonium wrote: > > > Now as far as I know, the astronauts in the Space Station can listen > > to AM and FM radios without any need to compensate for a Doppler > > shift effect on the signal. > > You're innumerate, or what? > > Doppler shift from a terrestrial 100MHz signal to an orbiting > satellite is a few kHz at most. An FM channel is 150kHz wide. > A few kHz of shift isn't noticable on a device as crude as an > FM radio. > > How do you think speed radar works, if not by measuring the > Doppler shift? > > Why am I even talking to you? > > Jeroen Belleman Science is not your cup of tea, eh. So you berate me on the AM, FM radio as too crude of an interferometer, but then lapse into thinking that some police speed radar is some finer piece of equipment that measures the Doppler Effect. Eh. So according to Belleman, that Michelson and all modern day interferometers should just use a police radar speed device. How funny you are. Thanks for the laughs.
From: spudnik on 3 Jun 2010 14:35 no; he merely said that FM radio stations are "wide enough," that such a doppler (sic) shift would not be noticed, unless maybe you had perfect pitch in your ears. the main problem with the Hubble, COBE etc., is the assumption that the redshifts are due to velocity. (the other problem, as recently noted around here, is that any blueshifts would be swamped by the prevailing redshift-with-distance, which could just be due to the medium of space, a.k.a. "tired light." > So according to Belleman, Michelson and all modern day interferometers > should just use a police radar speed device. How funny you are. thusNso: the curvature of space was proven (with the aid of "synchronized sundials" with a friend at another locale on teh same meridian) by Aristarchus; later, it was measured by Gauss on Alsace-Lorraine for France, using his theodolite.... now, what could be simpler? thusNso: what is a vacuum?... are you referring to Pascal's dyscovery of an absolute plenum in the barometer? http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Copernicus/LCV.htm http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2000A&A...356L..53B > Perhaps you don't know what a vacuum is. thusNso: I'd like to hear more about Halliburton's engineering; is this really a Dark Art?... following, about a popular and superefficient use of oil. Dear Editor; The staff report on plastic bags, given when SM considered a ban, before, refused to list the actual fraction of a penny, paid for them by bulk users like grocers & farmers at markets. Any rational EIR would show that, at a fraction of a gram of "fossilized fuel (TM)" per bag, a) they require far less energy & materiel than a paper bag, and b) that recycling them is impractical & unsanitary, beyond reusing the clean ones for carrying & garbage. (Alas, the fundy Greenies say that the bags are not biodegradeable, but everyday observation shows, they certainly don't last very long.) As I stated at that meeting, perhaps coastal communities *should* ban them -- except at farmers' markets -- because they are such efficient examples of "tensional integrity," that they can clog stormdrains by catching all sorts of leaves, twigs & paper. But, a statewide ban is just too much of an environmental & economic burden. --Stop British Petroleum's capNtrade rip-off; tell your legislators, a tiny tax on carbon could achieve the result, instead of "let the arbitrageurs/hedgies/daytrippers make as much money as they can on CO2 credits!" http://wlym.com
From: Jeroen Belleman on 3 Jun 2010 16:34
On 06/03/2010 06:53 PM, Archimedes Plutonium wrote: > > > Jeroen Belleman wrote: >> Archimedes Plutonium wrote: >> >>> Now as far as I know, the astronauts in the Space Station can listen >>> to AM and FM radios without any need to compensate for a Doppler >>> shift effect on the signal. >> >> You're innumerate, or what? >> >> Doppler shift from a terrestrial 100MHz signal to an orbiting >> satellite is a few kHz at most. An FM channel is 150kHz wide. >> A few kHz of shift isn't noticable on a device as crude as an >> FM radio. >> >> How do you think speed radar works, if not by measuring the >> Doppler shift? >> >> Why am I even talking to you? >> >> Jeroen Belleman > > Science is not your cup of tea, eh. So you berate me on the AM, FM > radio as too crude of an interferometer, but then lapse into thinking > that > some police speed radar is some finer piece of equipment that measures > the Doppler Effect. Eh. > > So according to Belleman, that Michelson and all modern day > interferometers > should just use a police radar speed device. How funny you are. > > Thanks for the laughs. Answer my questions. The second one only, if you can. Not that it matters. I won't attempt to educate you beyond this. Jeroen Belleman |