AP's theory that the dog was the first domesticated animal theory
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From: Archimedes Plutonium on 19 Jul 2010 07:24 pete wrote: > Archimedes Plutonium wrote: > > > progressive in science? > > Is the theory in this url: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/08/science/08dogs.html?_r=1&ref=science > > also one of your theories? > > -- > pete I think so, that I was the first to discover it, applying just logic to the circumstances. The two posts below tell of my theory and a date time group for verification. So it is nice to see the above Swedish science team finding that China seems to be the locus of first dog domestication, although it mentions a dispute with some sites in Africa. Also, I was talking about dog domestication for the bowfirebox invention which I suspect may have been invented before the bow and arrow and which would cause the invention of the bow and arrow. But to make the bowfirebox requires string and the gut of a dog is probably where the string came from for the bowfirebox and I had that post circa 2002 talking about the dog as the first domesticated animal. --- reposting two of my old posts of 2004 --- Subject: how dogs evolved from wolves; TV NOVA show; 1st domesticated farm animal theory sci.bio.misc,sci.anthropology,sci.anthropology.paleo author: Archimedes Plutonium Feb 5 2004, 6:07 pm A few days ago I watched a NOVA program on the variety of dogs with talk of their evolution from that of wolves. Quite an interesting program. However there are very many gaps of logic in the discussion of how dogs came from wolves. There was proffered the usual old theory that wolf babies make nice pets and hominids would have come upon wolf babies and raised them in their living camps. Then there was a scientist who proffered a different theory suggesting that dumpsites of early humans was a place to pick up easy food for those wolves tolerant of human nearby prescence. I am going to offer a third theory which sort of incorporates the above two. Let me call the above by their main mechanism. The first is that of "Baby Pet" theory and the second would be called the "Dumpsite" theory. My theory would be called the "First Domesticated Farm Animal" theory. The logical gap in theories one and two is that they confer little to no advantage to the hominids or early humans involved, unless you want to say that having a pet confers advantage over disadvantage of the time spent on the pet, or as in the dumpsite theory that of the spectacle of semiwolves near camp is some sort of advantage. My theory of "First Domesticated Animal" as the mechanism of how dogs evolved from wolves makes the most sense because it confers the most advantage to hominids or early humans. Here is how it works. Hominids or Early Humans found wolf babies and would take them back to their camp. They are too little and young to eat now but as they grow older fed from the snacks around the campsite (the dump) then they would be large enough for food to eat. Here I would have to research as to how easy or hard it would be to have sheep or cattle hang around close to the campsite so that when they got large enough they would be dinner. You see, I have the suspicion that wild wolf babies are the animal that has the greatest tendency to hang around the campsite than any other wild animal baby. And thus, wolves would have been the first domesticated animal which is rather surprizing because they are carnivours and most of us would guess that the first domesticated animal would have been a herbivore. But I doubt that any baby herbivore would have stayed around the human campsite as steadfast as a pet baby wolf until it grows to enough size to eat. Remember we are talking of primitive and savage hominids and early humans who when looking at pets see them more as future food. Which brings up very many good questions. Was the Dog the first domesticated animal? I think it was. I say this because the wild wolf baby imprints on a human better than a wild-any-other-animal. And because of this imprinting the baby wolf would have stayed nearby the humans until it grew of a size wherein one of the hungry hominids or early humans ate the pet for dinner. The Dump theory is okay in that the baby wolf would have wandered no further away than the dump. And when the wolf was of a eatable size would have been enticed by some scrap food bones and then killed and eaten. Sounds gory and awful but that is probably the true sequence of events that lead from wolves to the evolution of dog. And as this relationship continued, the semiwild wolf or dog had ears that drooped and had a disposition to not run away. We can measure the drooping ears of cattle or other domesticated animals compared to their wild counterparts. As early man ate more and more dogs for their dinners they wanted dogs that would hang around the dumps and had droopy ears and not prone to run away. And after hominids or early humans domesticated the wolf by becoming the dog, they then got the idea that other animals such as cattle or sheep can be domesticated for future dinners as well as the dog. Archimedes Plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies Reply to author Forward Report spam Rate this post: Discussion subject changed to "greatest imprint and easy to get would be the first domesticated animal-- the wolf Re: how dogs evolved from wolves; TV NOVA show; 1st domesticated farm animal theory" by Archimedes Plutonium Archimedes Plutonium View profile More options Feb 6 2004, 8:30 am So, how did the wolf become the dog? According to my theory the wolf was the first human domesticated animal and it was domesticated not because it helped Early humans or even hominids, but rather, it was domesticated to eat for dinner. And the way it came about is probably due to the fact that baby wolves were easy to get by a Stonethrowing clan or tribe of hominids. And once a wolf den is raided and the babies stolen they would be too small to eat until after they had grown up around the Early Human campsite where they wandered no further than the dumpsite. The imprinting of baby wolves on humans is one of the greatest imprintings (perhaps the greatest) to be found in all of animal kingdom. So the imprinting becames a Natural Fence to keep the wolf nearby to the campsite and once grown up then would catch the hungry eye of the Early Humans or perhaps even Hominids and the wolf eaten. This domestication of the wolf was the first assured food supply. What would be the second domesticated animal after the Wolf? Probably the cat. I suppose some cultures today still eat cat meat. What would be the third domesticated animal? I believe the order goes by the ability to Imprint and thus form a Natural Environmental Fence where the animal seems to not wander off into the wild. So the dog is first and the cat is second, then what is third? Is it the sheep or cattle or some herbivore? Can someone tell me which Imprints greater on humans-- is it the sheep family or the cattle family?? Archimedes Plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies --- end posting my old posts on dog domestication --- Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |