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From: mpc755 on 30 Jun 2010 19:35 On Jun 30, 1:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 29, 9:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 30, 12:14 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 29, 8:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 29, 10:45 am, cjcountess <cjcount...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hi mpc755 > > > > > > I pointed out the similarities in our theories to let you know that > > > > > the idea in general is not new and that I am in agreement with it.. > > > > > That still remains true. But I am not trying to make our ideas clones > > > > > of each other because we both could miss things that only an > > > > > individual perspective can give. > > > > > > I do not see a difference between the material of space and space > > > > > energy, as I define it, so maybe it is just a matter of definition, > > > > > and I am not settling on calling it maether, although I understand > > > > > what you define as maether, and recognize your right to do so. > > > > > > It seems that you are trying to stake your claim on an idea and the > > > > > terminology used to describe it, while I think that it is a little > > > > > premature for that. > > > > > > You also said that: > > > > > > I think you are using the term 'energy' incorrectly. Energy is not > > > > > a material. Energy is an effect. 'Space energy' is not compressed > > > > > into > > > > > matter. The material of space is compressed into matter. Aether is > > > > > compressed into matter. > > > > > > And > > > > > > Replace your use of 'Space energy' and 'energy' with aether when > > > > > discussing what is physically being compressed into matter and we are > > > > > speaking the same language. > > > > > > and > > > > > > Let's agree that it is the material of space, not 'space energy' or > > > > > energy, which is compressed into matter. > > > > > If you agree to this then you should be able agree aether and matter > > > > > are different states of the same material. > > > > > I have named this material maether. > > > > > > Like I said, I agree with the general idea that gravity is the result > > > > > of space pushing back matter that displaces it. > > > > > I also introduced the idea that this pushing back is equal and > > > > > opposite, and directly proportional to, the mass, or (E=mc^2) of > > > > > object, resulting in direct correspondence between (E=mc^2) = > > > > > (F=mv^2)=(F=Gmm/r^2). > > > > > > But I do not agree that energy is not the material of space, or that > > > > > we should call this material maether. > > > > > > Otherwise we are in agreement in a general sense. > > > > > > Conrad J Countess > > > > > Until you realize energy is an effect caused by a change in the state > > > > of mass you will not understand the physics of nature. > > > > > Good luck.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > If space is mass would it not be a solid? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > That was the problem with the Michelson-Morley experiment. They were > > looking for the Earth to be moving with respect to a 'solid' aether. > > > The aether is not a solid. The aether behaves as a frictionless > > superfluid one-something. The 'one-something' is due to our inability > > to know if the aether consists of particles which can be separately > > tracked through time. > > > So no, the aether is no a solid. The aether behaves as a frictionless > > superfluid 'one something'. > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > > "Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two > > entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory > > surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the > > course of time; or else-with the help of small floats, for instance - > > we can observe how the position of the separate particles of water > > alters in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for > > tracking the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental > > impossibility in physics - if, in fact nothing else whatever were > > observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it > > varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water > > consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise > > it as a medium."- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > The aether is immaterial. There is time speed math for its flow. > > MItch Reamsch Aether and matter are different states of the same material. The material is maether. Maether has mass. Aether and matter have mass. Aether is uncompressed maether and matter is compressed maether. Aether is displaced by matter. The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. The 'displacing back' is the pressure exerted by the aether. Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter.
From: mpc755 on 1 Jul 2010 21:53 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory' Louis de BROGLIE http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "These are essentially based on the way in which quantities respectively characterizing the regular v wave and the internal u0 wave of the particle connect with the neighbourhood of the singular region. u0 would have to increase very sharply as one penetrates the singular region." mpc755: There is a connectedness between the particle and the neighborhood. The neighborhood consists of aether. There is a connectedness between the particle and the aether. 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity' Albert Einstein' http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter" mpc755: There is a connectedness between the matter and the aether. Einstein: "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places .,. disregarding the causes which condition its state". mpc755: The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the aether's state of displacement. The cause which conditions its state is its displacement by matter. de Broglie: "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles." "This result may be interpretated by stating that the current statistical theory considers as spread out in the entire wave, devoid of singularity, that which in reality is totally concentrated in the singularity. It is on account of the foregoing interpretation that I simultaneously considered two distinct solutions of the wave propagation equation connected by eq. (33), one, v, having physical reality, and the other, ø, normed, and of statistical character. I therefore named this reinterpretation of wave mechanics the double solution theory. By distinction of the two waves v and ø, the mystery of the double character, subjective and objective, of the wave in the usual theory, vanishes, and one no longer has to give a simple probability representation the strange property of creating observable phenomena." "Transposing this method to the double solution theory, it may be said that the particle moves in the internal space of a very slender tube, the walls of which are made up by an ensemble of the v wave's stream lines, so defining a hydrodynamical flow. As these stream lines follow from the velocity v of the guidance theory, the particle remains inside the tube during its motion, and the guidance law of the particle by the v wave results." mpc755: The 'hydrodynamical flow' is the associated aether displacement wave. de Broglie: "In spite of the fact that the physical nature of the problems in general relativity and double solution theory are different, the methods of demonstration are the same." mpc755: Aether Displacement unites general relativity and double solution theory. Aether Displacement is the most correct unified theory to date.
From: mpc755 on 1 Jul 2010 22:08 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory' Louis de BROGLIE http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "These are essentially based on the way in which quantities respectively characterizing the regular v wave and the internal u0 wave of the particle connect with the neighbourhood of the singular region." mpc755: There is a connectedness between the particle and the neighborhood. The neighborhood consists of aether. There is a connectedness between the particle and the aether. de Broglie: "u0 would have to increase very sharply as one penetrates the singular region." mpc755: u0 increases very sharply because the moving particle displaces the aether. 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity' Albert Einstein' http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter" mpc755: There is a connectedness between the matter and the aether. Einstein: "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places" mpc755: The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the aether's state of displacement. Einstein: "disregarding the causes which condition its state". mpc755: The cause which conditions its state is its displacement by matter. de Broglie: "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles." "This result may be interpretated by stating that the current statistical theory considers as spread out in the entire wave, devoid of singularity, that which in reality is totally concentrated in the singularity. It is on account of the foregoing interpretation that I simultaneously considered two distinct solutions of the wave propagation equation connected by eq. (33), one, v, having physical reality, and the other, ø, normed, and of statistical character. I therefore named this reinterpretation of wave mechanics the double solution theory. By distinction of the two waves v and ø, the mystery of the double character, subjective and objective, of the wave in the usual theory, vanishes, and one no longer has to give a simple probability representation the strange property of creating observable phenomena." "Transposing this method to the double solution theory, it may be said that the particle moves in the internal space of a very slender tube, the walls of which are made up by an ensemble of the v wave's stream lines, so defining a hydrodynamical flow." mpc755: The 'hydrodynamical flow' is the associated aether displacement wave. de Broglie: "As these stream lines follow from the velocity v of the guidance theory, the particle remains inside the tube during its motion, and the guidance law of the particle by the v wave results." mpc755: The particle remains inside the associated aether displacement wave during its motion. de Broglie: "In spite of the fact that the physical nature of the problems in general relativity and double solution theory are different, the methods of demonstration are the same." mpc755: Aether Displacement unites general relativity and double solution. Aether Displacement is the most correct unified theory to date.
From: mpc755 on 1 Jul 2010 22:49 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory' Louis de BROGLIE http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "These are essentially based on the way in which quantities respectively characterizing the regular v wave and the internal u0 wave of the particle connect with the neighbourhood of the singular region." mpc755: There is a connectedness between the particle and the neighborhood. The neighborhood consists of aether. There is a connectedness between the particle and the aether. 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity' Albert Einstein' http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter" mpc755: There is a connectedness between the matter and the aether. de Broglie: "u0 would have to increase very sharply as one penetrates the singular region." mpc755: u0 increases very sharply because the moving particle displaces the aether. Einstein: "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places" mpc755: The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the aether's state of displacement. Einstein: "disregarding the causes which condition its state". mpc755: The cause which conditions its state is its displacement by matter. de Broglie: "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles." "This result may be interpretated by stating that the current statistical theory considers as spread out in the entire wave, devoid of singularity, that which in reality is totally concentrated in the singularity. It is on account of the foregoing interpretation that I simultaneously considered two distinct solutions of the wave propagation equation connected by eq. (33), one, v, having physical reality, and the other, ø, normed, and of statistical character. I therefore named this reinterpretation of wave mechanics the double solution theory. By distinction of the two waves v and ø, the mystery of the double character, subjective and objective, of the wave in the usual theory, vanishes, and one no longer has to give a simple probability representation the strange property of creating observable phenomena." "Transposing this method to the double solution theory, it may be said that the particle moves in the internal space of a very slender tube, the walls of which are made up by an ensemble of the v wave's stream lines, so defining a hydrodynamical flow." mpc755: The 'hydrodynamical flow' is the associated aether displacement wave. de Broglie: "As these stream lines follow from the velocity v of the guidance theory, the particle remains inside the tube during its motion, and the guidance law of the particle by the v wave results." mpc755: The particle remains inside the associated aether displacement wave during its motion. de Broglie: "In spite of the fact that the physical nature of the problems in general relativity and double solution theory are different, the methods of demonstration are the same." mpc755: Aether Displacement unites general relativity and double solution. Aether Displacement is the most correct unified theory to date.
From: cjcountess on 2 Jul 2010 09:55
On Jun 30, 7:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Aether and matter are different states of the same material. > The material is maether. > Maether has mass. > Aether and matter have mass. > Aether is uncompressed maether and matter is compressed maether. > Aether is displaced by matter. > The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > The 'displacing back' is the pressure exerted by the aether. > Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter.- Hide quoted text - mpc755 I agree with this interpretation of gravity, I just use different terms. As I see it, just as matter and aether are different states of the same thing, so are energy and matter. As I see it, m or(rest mass or matter) = e or(energy) at (c^2) or at "the speed of light squared", which as I see it is (light in circular and or spherical rotation). This is how matter is created from energy. c^2 as (c in the linear direction x c in the 90 degree angular direction) = energy with a balence of centrifugal /centripital forces, with angular momentum of (h/2pi), and wavelength (cx2pi)which gives the rotating enrgy, rest mass. As the energy makes 2 rotations at 90 degree angle to complete 1 wave cycle, it creates a standing spherical wave of spin1/2, and angular momentum of (h/2pi/2). Thus a wave turns into a particle at c^2 because it takes on this spherical motion. The stitistical measurement of psi={x,t}^2, being the probability of finding the particle "x" at time "t" within the wave, is "100 persent" when "x,t" is squared, because the wave turns into a particle by aquiring circular and or spherical rotation, and the wave becomes the particle. That is how I reconcile the stitistical measuemaent with the geometrical mearsurement of E=mc^2 = E=mc^circled. That is also how I recocile that energy turns into, and is therefore equal to matter at c^2, which is (enrgy in circular and or spherical motion, and exactly what turns energy into matter. Conrad J Countess |