From: mpc755 on
On Jun 30, 1:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 9:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jun 30, 12:14 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jun 29, 8:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jun 29, 10:45 am, cjcountess <cjcount...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > Hi mpc755
>
> > > > > I pointed out the similarities in our theories to let you know that
> > > > > the idea in general is not new and that I am in agreement with it..
> > > > > That still remains true. But I am not trying to make our ideas clones
> > > > > of each other because we both could miss things that only an
> > > > > individual perspective can give.
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> > > > > I do not see a difference between “the material of space” and “space
> > > > > energy”, as I define it, so maybe it is just a matter of definition,
> > > > > and I am not settling on calling it maether, although I understand
> > > > > what you define as maether, and recognize your right to do so.
>
> > > > >  It seems that you are trying to stake your claim on an idea and the
> > > > > terminology used to describe it, while I think that it is a little
> > > > > premature for that.
>
> > > > > You also said that:
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> > > > >    “I think you are using the term 'energy' incorrectly. Energy is not
> > > > > a material. Energy is an effect. 'Space energy' is not compressed
> > > > > into
> > > > > matter. The material of space is compressed into matter. Aether is
> > > > > compressed into matter.”
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> > > > > And
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> > > > > “Replace your use of 'Space energy' and 'energy' with aether when
> > > > > discussing what is physically being compressed into matter and we are
> > > > > speaking the same language.”
>
> > > > > and
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> > > > > “Let's agree that it is the material of space, not 'space energy' or
> > > > > energy, which is compressed into matter.
> > > > > If you agree to this then you should be able agree aether and matter
> > > > > are different states of the same material.
> > > > > I have named this material maether.”
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> > > > > Like I said, I agree with the general idea that “gravity is the result
> > > > > of space pushing back matter that displaces it”.
> > > > > I also introduced the idea that this pushing back is equal and
> > > > > opposite, and directly proportional to, the mass, or (E=mc^2) of
> > > > > object, resulting in direct correspondence between (E=mc^2) =
> > > > > (F=mv^2)=(F=Gmm/r^2).
>
> > > > > But I do not agree that energy is not the material of space, or that
> > > > > we should call this material maether.
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> > > > > Otherwise we are in agreement in a general sense.
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> > > > > Conrad J Countess
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> > > > Until you realize energy is an effect caused by a change in the state
> > > > of mass you will not understand the physics of nature.
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> > > > Good luck.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > If space is mass would it not be a solid?
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> > > Mitch Raemsch
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> > That was the problem with the Michelson-Morley experiment. They were
> > looking for the Earth to be moving with respect to a 'solid' aether.
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> > The aether is not a solid. The aether behaves as a frictionless
> > superfluid one-something. The 'one-something' is due to our inability
> > to know if the aether consists of particles which can be separately
> > tracked through time.
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> > So no, the aether is no a solid. The aether behaves as a frictionless
> > superfluid 'one something'.
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> > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
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> > "Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two
> > entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory
> > surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the
> > course of time; or else-with the help of small floats, for instance -
> > we can observe how the position of the separate particles of water
> > alters in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for
> > tracking the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental
> > impossibility in physics - if, in fact nothing else whatever were
> > observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it
> > varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water
> > consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise
> > it as a medium."- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> The aether is immaterial. There is time speed math for its flow.
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> MItch Reamsch

Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
The material is maether.
Maether has mass.
Aether and matter have mass.
Aether is uncompressed maether and matter is compressed maether.
Aether is displaced by matter.
The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.
The 'displacing back' is the pressure exerted by the aether.
Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter.
From: mpc755 on
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory'
Louis de BROGLIE
http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"These are essentially based on the way in which quantities
respectively characterizing the regular v wave and the internal u0
wave of the particle connect with the neighbourhood of the singular
region. u0 would have to increase very sharply as one penetrates the
singular region."

mpc755:

There is a connectedness between the particle and the neighborhood.
The neighborhood consists of aether.
There is a connectedness between the particle and the aether.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity'
Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter"

mpc755:

There is a connectedness between the matter and the aether.

Einstein:

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places .,.
disregarding the causes which condition its state".

mpc755:

The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the
matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
aether's state of displacement. The cause which conditions its state
is its displacement by matter.

de Broglie:

"When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles."

"This result may be interpretated by stating that the current
statistical theory considers as spread out in the entire wave, devoid
of singularity, that which in reality is totally concentrated in the
singularity. It is on account of the foregoing interpretation that I
simultaneously considered two distinct solutions of the wave
propagation equation connected by eq. (33), one, v, having physical
reality, and the other, ø, normed, and of statistical character. I
therefore named this reinterpretation of wave mechanics the double
solution theory. By distinction of the two waves v and ø, the mystery
of the double character, subjective and objective, of the wave in the
usual theory, vanishes, and one no longer has to give a simple
probability representation the strange property of creating observable
phenomena."

"Transposing this method to the double solution theory, it may be said
that the particle moves in the internal space of a very slender tube,
the walls of which are made up by an ensemble of the v wave's stream
lines, so defining a hydrodynamical flow. As these stream lines follow
from the velocity v of the guidance theory, the particle remains
inside the tube during its motion, and the guidance law of the
particle by the v wave results."

mpc755:

The 'hydrodynamical flow' is the associated aether displacement wave.

de Broglie:

"In spite of the fact that the physical nature of the problems in
general relativity and double solution theory are different, the
methods of demonstration are the same."

mpc755:

Aether Displacement unites general relativity and double solution
theory.
Aether Displacement is the most correct unified theory to date.
From: mpc755 on
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory'
Louis de BROGLIE
http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"These are essentially based on the way in which quantities
respectively characterizing the regular v wave and the internal u0
wave of the particle connect with the neighbourhood of the singular
region."

mpc755:

There is a connectedness between the particle and the neighborhood.
The neighborhood consists of aether.
There is a connectedness between the particle and the aether.

de Broglie:

"u0 would have to increase very sharply as one penetrates the singular
region."

mpc755:

u0 increases very sharply because the moving particle displaces the
aether.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity'
Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter"

mpc755:

There is a connectedness between the matter and the aether.

Einstein:

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places"

mpc755:

The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the
matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
aether's state of displacement.

Einstein:

"disregarding the causes which condition its state".

mpc755:

The cause which conditions its state is its displacement by matter.

de Broglie:

"When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles."

"This result may be interpretated by stating that the current
statistical theory considers as spread out in the entire wave, devoid
of singularity, that which in reality is totally concentrated in the
singularity. It is on account of the foregoing interpretation that I
simultaneously considered two distinct solutions of the wave
propagation equation connected by eq. (33), one, v, having physical
reality, and the other, ø, normed, and of statistical character. I
therefore named this reinterpretation of wave mechanics the double
solution theory. By distinction of the two waves v and ø, the mystery
of the double character, subjective and objective, of the wave in the
usual theory, vanishes, and one no longer has to give a simple
probability representation the strange property of creating observable
phenomena."

"Transposing this method to the double solution theory, it may be said
that the particle moves in the internal space of a very slender tube,
the walls of which are made up by an ensemble of the v wave's stream
lines, so defining a hydrodynamical flow."

mpc755:

The 'hydrodynamical flow' is the associated aether displacement wave.

de Broglie:

"As these stream lines follow from the velocity v of the guidance
theory, the particle remains inside the tube during its motion, and
the guidance law of the particle by the v wave results."

mpc755:

The particle remains inside the associated aether displacement wave
during its motion.

de Broglie:

"In spite of the fact that the physical nature of the problems in
general relativity and double solution theory are different, the
methods of demonstration are the same."

mpc755:

Aether Displacement unites general relativity and double solution.
Aether Displacement is the most correct unified theory to date.
From: mpc755 on
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory'
Louis de BROGLIE
http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"These are essentially based on the way in which quantities
respectively characterizing the regular v wave and the internal u0
wave of the particle connect with the neighbourhood of the singular
region."

mpc755:

There is a connectedness between the particle and the neighborhood.
The neighborhood consists of aether.
There is a connectedness between the particle and the aether.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity'
Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter"

mpc755:

There is a connectedness between the matter and the aether.

de Broglie:

"u0 would have to increase very sharply as one penetrates the singular
region."

mpc755:

u0 increases very sharply because the moving particle displaces the
aether.

Einstein:

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places"

mpc755:

The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the
matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
aether's state of displacement.

Einstein:

"disregarding the causes which condition its state".

mpc755:

The cause which conditions its state is its displacement by matter.

de Broglie:

"When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles."

"This result may be interpretated by stating that the current
statistical theory considers as spread out in the entire wave, devoid
of singularity, that which in reality is totally concentrated in the
singularity. It is on account of the foregoing interpretation that I
simultaneously considered two distinct solutions of the wave
propagation equation connected by eq. (33), one, v, having physical
reality, and the other, ø, normed, and of statistical character. I
therefore named this reinterpretation of wave mechanics the double
solution theory. By distinction of the two waves v and ø, the mystery
of the double character, subjective and objective, of the wave in the
usual theory, vanishes, and one no longer has to give a simple
probability representation the strange property of creating observable
phenomena."

"Transposing this method to the double solution theory, it may be said
that the particle moves in the internal space of a very slender tube,
the walls of which are made up by an ensemble of the v wave's stream
lines, so defining a hydrodynamical flow."

mpc755:

The 'hydrodynamical flow' is the associated aether displacement wave.

de Broglie:

"As these stream lines follow from the velocity v of the guidance
theory, the particle remains inside the tube during its motion, and
the guidance law of the particle by the v wave results."

mpc755:

The particle remains inside the associated aether displacement wave
during its motion.

de Broglie:

"In spite of the fact that the physical nature of the problems in
general relativity and double solution theory are different, the
methods of demonstration are the same."

mpc755:

Aether Displacement unites general relativity and double solution.
Aether Displacement is the most correct unified theory to date.
From: cjcountess on
On Jun 30, 7:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
> The material is maether.
> Maether has mass.
> Aether and matter have mass.
> Aether is uncompressed maether and matter is compressed maether.
> Aether is displaced by matter.
> The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.
> The 'displacing back' is the pressure exerted by the aether.
> Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter.- Hide quoted text -


mpc755

I agree with this interpretation of gravity, I just use different
terms.

As I see it, just as matter and aether are different states of the
same thing, so are energy and matter. As I see it, m or(rest mass or
matter) = e or(energy) at (c^2) or at "the speed of light squared",
which as I see it is (light in circular and or spherical rotation).

This is how matter is created from energy. c^2 as (c in the linear
direction x c in the 90 degree angular direction) = energy with a
balence of centrifugal /centripital forces, with angular momentum of
(h/2pi), and wavelength (cx2pi)which gives the rotating enrgy, rest
mass.

As the energy makes 2 rotations at 90 degree angle to complete 1 wave
cycle, it creates a standing spherical wave of spin1/2, and angular
momentum of (h/2pi/2). Thus a wave turns into a particle at c^2
because it takes on this spherical motion.

The stitistical measurement of psi={x,t}^2, being the probability of
finding the particle "x" at time "t" within the wave, is "100 persent"
when "x,t" is squared, because the wave turns into a particle by
aquiring circular and or spherical rotation, and the wave becomes the
particle.
That is how I reconcile the stitistical measuemaent with the
geometrical mearsurement of E=mc^2 = E=mc^circled.

That is also how I recocile that energy turns into, and is therefore
equal to matter at c^2, which is (enrgy in circular and or spherical
motion, and exactly what turns energy into matter.

Conrad J Countess