From: mpc755 on
On May 24, 7:07 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...(a)hate.spam.net> wrote:
>
> <http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf>  
>  No aether
>

I'm simply quoting from the article you continually link to in your
post which you either didn't read or are unable to understand:

http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf

"If future searches for Lorentz invariance and time-dependent
fundamental constants bring positive results, they may prove that the
universe contains a long-wavelength degree of freedom and point toward
the nature of quintessence. Then the variation of fundamental
constants and apparently Lorentz-violating spin precessions might be
completely demystified: They could both follow from the conventional
physics of an interacting scalar field."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field

"A scalar field associates a numerical value to every point in a space
or space-time. Examples used in physics include ... the pressure
distribution in a fluid ..."

Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
The material is mæther.
Aether is displaced by matter.
Displacement creates pressure.
Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter.

The scalar field is the pressure distribution in the aether. The
pressure distribution is caused by the displacement of the aether by
the matter. The pressure distribution is the pressure exerted by the
displaced aether towards the matter.

'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A.
EINSTEIN'
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three
dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether
and matter is energy.

Mæther decompressing creates energy.

Mass is conserved.

In a double slit experiment the C-60 molecule is always detected
exiting a single slit because the C-60 molecule always enters and
exits a single slit. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether
displacement wave. It is the associated aether displacement wave which
enters and exits multiple slits. The wave creates interference upon
exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule
travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the
associated aether wave and there is no interference.
From: mpc755 on
On May 25, 10:02 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...(a)hate.spam.net> wrote:
>
> <http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf>  
>  No aether
>

I'm simply quoting from the article you continually link to in your
post which you either didn't read or are unable to understand:

http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf

"If future searches for Lorentz invariance and time-dependent
fundamental constants bring positive results, they may prove that the
universe contains a long-wavelength degree of freedom and point toward
the nature of quintessence. Then the variation of fundamental
constants and apparently Lorentz-violating spin precessions might be
completely demystified: They could both follow from the conventional
physics of an interacting scalar field."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field

"A scalar field associates a numerical value to every point in a space
or space-time. Examples used in physics include ... the pressure
distribution in a fluid ..."

Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
The material is mæther.
Aether is displaced by matter.
Displacement creates pressure.
Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter.

The scalar field is the pressure distribution in the aether. The
pressure distribution is caused by the displacement of the aether by
the matter. The pressure distribution is the pressure exerted by the
displaced aether towards the matter.

'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A.
EINSTEIN'
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three
dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether
and matter is energy.

Mæther decompressing creates energy.

Mass is conserved.

In a double slit experiment the C-60 molecule is always detected
exiting a single slit because the C-60 molecule always enters and
exits a single slit. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether
displacement wave. It is the associated aether displacement wave which
enters and exits multiple slits. The wave creates interference upon
exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule
travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the
associated aether wave and there is no interference.

>
> > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A.
> > In a double slit experiment the C-60 molecule is always detected
> > exiting a single slit because the C-60 molecule always enters and
> > exits a single slit. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether
> > displacement wave. It is the associated aether displacement wave which
> > enters and exits multiple slits. The wave creates interference upon
> > exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule
> > travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the
> > associated aether wave and there is no interference.
>
> idiot
>
> Hey stooopid - a body's wave-like and particle-like aspects cannot be
> simultaneously observed.  A system's any degree of freedom corresponds
> to a conjugate pair of observables.
>

Correct. It can not be known exactly where the photon 'particle'
resides within the associated wave without detection. However, the
photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave and
travels a single path. The photon 'particle' always enters and exits a
single slit in a double slit experiment. It is the photon wave which
enters and exits both slits. The photon wave creates interference upon
exiting the slits which alters the direction the 'particle' travels.
Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and
there is no interference.
From: mpc755 on
On May 25, 2:24 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...(a)hate.spam.net> wrote:
> mpc755 wrote:
> <http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf>  
>  No aether
>

I'm simply quoting from the article you continually link to in your
post which you either didn't read or are unable to understand:

http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf

"If future searches for Lorentz invariance and time-dependent
fundamental constants bring positive results, they may prove that the
universe contains a long-wavelength degree of freedom and point toward
the nature of quintessence. Then the variation of fundamental
constants and apparently Lorentz-violating spin precessions might be
completely demystified: They could both follow from the conventional
physics of an interacting scalar field."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field

"A scalar field associates a numerical value to every point in a space
or space-time. Examples used in physics include ... the pressure
distribution in a fluid ..."

Aether and matter are different states of the same material.
The material is mæther.
Aether is displaced by matter.
Displacement creates pressure.
Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter.

The scalar field is the pressure distribution in the aether. The
pressure distribution is caused by the displacement of the aether by
the matter. The pressure distribution is the pressure exerted by the
displaced aether towards the matter.

'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A.
EINSTEIN'
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three
dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether
and matter is energy.

Mæther decompressing creates energy.

Mass is conserved.

In a double slit experiment the C-60 molecule is always detected
exiting a single slit because the C-60 molecule always enters and
exits a single slit. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether
displacement wave. It is the associated aether displacement wave which
enters and exits multiple slits. The wave creates interference upon
exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule
travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the
associated aether wave and there is no interference.

>
> Hey stooopid - a body's wave-like and particle-like aspects cannot be
> simultaneously observed.  A system's any degree of freedom corresponds
> to a conjugate pair of observables.

Correct. It can not be known exactly where the photon 'particle'
resides within the associated wave without detection. However, the
photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave and
travels a single path. The photon 'particle' always enters and exits a
single slit in a double slit experiment. It is the photon wave which
enters and exits both slits. The photon wave creates interference upon
exiting the slits which alters the direction the 'particle' travels.
Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and
there is no interference.
From: spudnik on
"case" is every thing, in this context, and
I stand by what I mean by it (a little calculation
of a long time ago, inspired by Bucky saith .-)

anyway, your say-so is rather nonsensical, since
everyone else comprehends them to be two forms
of the *same* thing, only one of which "has" mass.

you pretty-much tossed your whole cookie,
by "transforming the equation into maether."

> Your 'm' refers to mass. That is inaccurate. Both aether and matter
> have mass. Both aether and matter are different states of mæther.
> A=Mc^2, where A is aether and M is matter, or: M=A/c^2.
> Change your lowercase 'm' to an upper case 'M' and you've got it.

thusNso:
there are lots of effects that are not neccesarily taken
into account by the UNIPCC, such as subsidence of land
due to erosion from agriculture & deforestation (even though
there really is no discernible world-around "rise
of sea level," excepting in computerized simulacra, as
with so much else).

> How many times do people have to show you that the changes here are
> not "small" like you wish to make them out to be.

thusNso:
there are plenty of questions, probably most of which've
been answered in the literature. like, given the redshifting
of light through the medium of space (sik), are those shifts
continuous with distance, or just very subtle?

the whole idea of a rock o'light, aimed at your eye from a star,
doesn't seem absurd if those rocks are aimed everywhere; still,
the particle is not needed, if one accepts that a (spherical) wave
can be a quantum. certainly, it would get rid of the conundrum
of a massless/momentumless & volumeless "point of light"
a la Dubya.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Quantum/see_a_photon.html
> Secondly, the sensitivity of a patch on your retina goes down if there
> is stray light coming in from another source. That's how,
> We didn't really go to Moon!

thusNso:
you have slightly misconstrued. the wave-energy seems
to be adequately tuned to the electromagnetic property
of the atom, and *that* is the "particle"
into which it "collapses," not the quantum-called-photon.
the photon is nothing but a coinage for a unit of light-energy,
as-and-when "detected" by a device or cone of the eye
(the rods & cones are "log-spiral antennae" .-)
nothing in Planck's analysis requires a rock o'light, and
probably not really in Einstein's; so, there.
> > > > > > > Decide a photon propagates as a wave and is detected as a particle.
> > > > > > > That is what you are suggesting in all of your quotes above,
> > > > > > > "Light collapsing into a particle" e.g..

--Pi, the surfer's canonical value -- accept no other!
http://wlym.com
From: spudnik on
you, two, are merely talking past each other;
don't you realize that?