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From: Mark Carter on 16 Mar 2010 08:11 I'm not really a Lisp programmer, but I saw an ad for Bee Lisp. Anyone heard of it? Is it any good?
From: Giovanni Gigante on 16 Mar 2010 09:00 Mark Carter wrote: > I'm not really a Lisp programmer, but I saw an ad for Bee Lisp. Anyone > heard of it? Is it any good? From the home page: "BEE Lisp is a superficial compiler" After decades of dreaming of the fabled "smart enough compiler", we are left in a world of superficial ones. And not even a flying car in sight.
From: Futu Ranon on 16 Mar 2010 09:05 On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:11:45 -0400, Mark Carter <alt.mcarter(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > I'm not really a Lisp programmer, but I saw an ad for Bee Lisp. Anyone > heard of it? Is it any good? I saw it on gmail and thought of posing this same question to c.l.l. I looked into it a little and I could find no useful information beyond the host site. The demo isn't very crippled so you could just just evaluate it for your needs. I did enjoy this claim from the website: > BEE Lisp Compiler and the Lisp language itself makes compiled programs > very difficult to crack or to reverse engineer.
From: fortunatus on 16 Mar 2010 09:27 I think products like this are usually one of the GPL Lisps wrapped up for sale (as indeed that is one of the officially approved ways to make money using the GPL). Or else, bearing in mind the "superficial compiler" remark, it might be a stripped-down Lisp, or else it is some project someone spent years building up and is trying to get some benefit from. I wonder if they get any customers? I doubt they provide support, etc, beyond install instructions, from looking at the site. So what would the value be? Do they simply count on folks finding their ad before finding the world of (free, free) Lisps? What programmer who's interested in Lisp wouldn't Google? Or perhaps this is someone who is a consultant, and will use Lisp anyway, and wants to charge their client for Lisp (which is OK by me so long as the client understands), and so this is the storefront for allowing client's purchasing dept to make the purchase? In any case, clearly this is not a real business effort in itself, or else more offered value would be apparent. PS - I've often suspected with products that look like a repackage of GPL code, there might be a trojan.
From: Tamas K Papp on 16 Mar 2010 09:36
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:05:57 -0400, Futu Ranon wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:11:45 -0400, Mark Carter > <alt.mcarter(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >> I'm not really a Lisp programmer, but I saw an ad for Bee Lisp. Anyone >> heard of it? Is it any good? > > I saw it on gmail and thought of posing this same question to c.l.l. > > I looked into it a little and I could find no useful information beyond > the host site. The demo isn't very crippled so you could just just > evaluate it for your needs. > > I did enjoy this claim from the website: > >> BEE Lisp Compiler and the Lisp language itself makes compiled programs >> very difficult to crack or to reverse engineer. Other amazing quotes from the website: "BEE Lisp is a superficial expandable compiler for The Lisp language" Wow, "The Lisp language". The one and only. "Extensibility of the compiler through open COM interfaces" Thanks, but I am fine extending my compiler with macros, and occasionally compiler macros. Given the choice, I would rather go skinny dipping in a piranha tank than use COM. Also, docs & language specs are conspicuously missing. It seems to be a one-person effort, and the nicest part is that it costs EUR 29.75. With standardized, mature dialects of Lisp floating around, each with at least one free compiler and development environment, I am sure that people who are willing to buy this product will get exactly what they deserve. Tamas |