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From: Wes Groleau on 25 Apr 2010 12:49 On 04-24-2010 22:40, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > interesting. I'm not sure to what extent virtualbox is "there yet" for > my needs. I need to be testing things on Windows, and I need to be > relatively confident that problems I experience aren't from the VM. (But > I don't insist on this to the point of getting a whole other box, or > worse, having to reboot.) In that situation, I would consider using the free one, and if I suspected the VM was to blame, I'd try an older machine. Can get a used Wintel box for about the cost of Parallels. > Also someone suggested running NTFS instead of FAT32. That seems > extremely sensible. But you can't write to it if it's an OS X controlled partition. You'd have to make it a hard-drive-in-a-file which can also introduce issues. -- Wes Groleau Is it an on-line compliment to call someone a Net Wit ?
From: Erik Richard Sørensen on 25 Apr 2010 14:13 Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > [...] > Also someone suggested running NTFS instead of FAT32. That seems > extremely sensible. I did, because by using NTFS you won't have any problems with the 32gb limit in Windows, though Win7 doesn't have this limit, it is recommended from MS to use NTFS as the default disk structure. And - if you need to test on more different Windows versions - like XP/XPPro, Vista and Win7, you can for example use a 500-750gb harddisk (SATA-II/300/32mb cache) and make it into three partitions - one for each system. DO REMEMBER that this this MUST be initialized with the BootCamp Tool in MBR, if you also want it to be bootable with /any/ Windows system. With the three latest Windows versions installed you can open them each at a time in Parallels and run the opened version virtually, and this is quite a lot faster than change bootdisk and then reboot and wait until it's ready for use... - Also when using it for testing while making the work in OS X (which is possible with many developer tools) you can switch directly to test a workflow here and now in a virtualized Windows. Btw. if you need to switch bootability fast 'BootChamp' is a nice little tool with which you can boot directly into any installed Windows system from the top menu in OS X 10.4.11 to 10.6.3. Just add it as a startup tool, and it'll show up in the OS X top menu with direct access. Just select the system you want to boot into, type in your admin code and hit 'OK'. BootChamp 1.0.2 (freeware) Menu bar item for booting into Windows. http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/36697 > I also ordered another 4GB RAM (in addition to the 5GB already > installed); so I'll have plenty to dedicate to the guest. I will not be > doing any high-powered graphics for either gaming or astronomy, so > running Windows as a guest OS should be fine. Performance isn't critical. Not a bad idea... I have 9gb on my MacPro, and it's not a single mb too much.:-) - Before i lost the bootable XPPro disk I ran XPPro both virtual and bootable and have set XPPro to use 4gb in virtual mode and 6gb in bootable mode. OK, I know that XPPro itself can't take advantage of so much itself, but it can be used if you're running some real heavy applications like Adobe CS, some audio and video apps etc.. At that time I have never had a single crash or unexpected stop in XPPro - until the disk itself went to the eternal computer fields.:-)! Now when I only run virtually, I've set Parallels to use at least 2gb with the possibility of collecting more if needed, and XPPro itself to use 1,5gb. It is running smoothly and nice here. Cheers, Erik Richard -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-manNOSP(a)Mstofanet.dk> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com OpenOffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: dorayme on 25 Apr 2010 18:24 In article <4bd48630$0$4818$ba624c82(a)nntp02.dk.telia.net>, Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote: > With the three latest Windows versions installed you can open them each > at a time in Parallels and run the opened version virtually, and this is > quite a lot faster than change bootdisk and then reboot and wait until > it's ready for use... So there is a way to have 1. XP Pro with Internet Explorer 7 2. XP Pro with IE 8 and maybe even 3. Vista with IE 8 (to take three useful configurations for some purposes) run in Parallels or Fusion or Bootcamp or that Sun system virtual windows thing? -- dorayme
From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 25 Apr 2010 19:50 On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Wes Groleau wrote: > On 04-24-2010 22:40, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: >> interesting. I'm not sure to what extent virtualbox is "there yet" for >> my needs. I need to be testing things on Windows, and I need to be >> relatively confident that problems I experience aren't from the VM. (But >> I don't insist on this to the point of getting a whole other box, or >> worse, having to reboot.) > > In that situation, I would consider using the free one, and if I suspected > the VM was to blame, I'd try an older machine. Can get > a used Wintel box for about the cost of Parallels. It's not really the price of a separate box that deters me, physical space. I'm already going to have to buy a second monitor so I can do my work. Having a second box, only makes things more complicated. >> Also someone suggested running NTFS instead of FAT32. That seems >> extremely sensible. > But you can't write to it if it's an OS X controlled partition. > You'd have to make it a hard-drive-in-a-file which can also > introduce issues. I was going to explore NTFS k-extensions for OS X. I need to see what these are like and whether they jeopardize stability. So this does remain an open question. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/
From: Erik Richard Sørensen on 25 Apr 2010 20:00
dorayme wrote: > Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote: >> With the three latest Windows versions installed you can open them each >> at a time in Parallels and run the opened version virtually, and this is >> quite a lot faster than change bootdisk and then reboot and wait until >> it's ready for use... > > So there is a way to have > > 1. XP Pro with Internet Explorer 7 > > 2. XP Pro with IE 8 > > and maybe even > > 3. Vista with IE 8 > > (to take three useful configurations for some purposes) run in > Parallels or Fusion or Bootcamp or that Sun system virtual > windows thing? The short answer is: Yes! - The a bit longer is that you can only run one Windows system at a time in Parallels, so you will have to close the one to start the next, but if you for example have all three virtual machines - Parallels, Fusion and VirtualBox on the same OS X, you can have all three running at the same time and switch forth and back between them in OS X. Someone told me that it should also be possible to run two or more virtual systems at one and the same time.... I haven't tried this, so I can't tell whether it'll work or not. - But one thing is for sure, /if/ this is possible. but you will then have to use the same Paralllels, Fusion or VirtualBox settings, since you can't make different setting for each Windows/Linux system. - E.g. you cannot have a Windows specific keyboard with the specific Windows keys to one USB port in fx. XP and use Parallels set to handle Windows instead of handling Apple at the same time as you have Vista running on another partition/image and Parallels set to handle Apple and not Windows either on a built-in keyboard on a laptop or an Apple keyboard on an USB port... Cheers, Erik Richard -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-manNOSP(a)Mstofanet.dk> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com OpenOffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |