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From: Charles A. Crayne on 29 Jul 2006 21:28 On 29 Jul 2006 16:59:34 -0700 rhyde(a)cs.ucr.edu wrote: :I'm pretty sure the Programma :documentation mentions my name on the interior, if not on the cover. :After all, I wrote the documentation for it. :-) Perhaps so, but it appears that you did not any credit for it. What I have is a 7x9 inch, leatherette three ring binder with "PROGRAMMA LISA INTERACTIVE ASSEMBLER" printed on the spine, and the same information arranged somewhat differently on the cover. The sales agreement says that it was stock # AP138, and retailed for $59.95. The title page claims to be for version 2.0, however, the TOC shows a 2.2 addendum, beginning on page 93. I cannot find your name mentioned anywhere, although the addendum does mention that an internals pamphlet can be obtained from LAZER SYSTEMS, upon execution of a non-disclosure agreement, and regrets that "source listings are not available". -- Chuck
From: rhyde on 29 Jul 2006 21:57 Charles A. Crayne wrote: > > Perhaps so, but it appears that you did not any credit for it. Hmmm, interesting. I wouldn't be surprised, though. That would be a typical "Mel Norell" mentality item to claim credit for Programma and ditch the author's name. > > What I have is a 7x9 inch, leatherette three ring binder with "PROGRAMMA > LISA INTERACTIVE ASSEMBLER" printed on the spine, and the same information > arranged somewhat differently on the cover. Alas, I no longer have a copy, so I can't check this out myself (The earliest manual I have is the LISA v2.6 manual, published by Lazer Microsystems). Nevertheless, I don't think there's any question in anyone's mind, other than Rene's as to who wrote the product. There are just too many references to me and Brian Fitzgerald (who took over after version 3.2 or so) on the net to refute the authorship. > The sales agreement says that > it was stock # AP138, and retailed for $59.95. The title page claims to be > for version 2.0, however, the TOC shows a 2.2 addendum, beginning on page > 93. > > I cannot find your name mentioned anywhere, although the addendum does > mention that an internals pamphlet can be obtained from LAZER SYSTEMS, Yeah, that would have been my company at the time. > upon execution of a non-disclosure agreement, and regrets that "source > listings are not available". Yes. It was, after all, a commercial product. Back then, you could actually make a decent enough living selling a product like an assembler. But the sales of LISA were also what convinced me that attempting to sell an assembler is a waste of time. Of course, when even *Microsoft* is unable to sell an assembler, you know that attempting to commercialize such a product for the general PC marketplace is a waste of time (of course, assemblers for embedded systems are still a good enough market that people can sell their wares). Me? I decided to give the software away and make whatever money is to be made off the books that go along with the assembler. :-). Cheers, Randy Hyde
From: rhyde on 29 Jul 2006 22:02 Charles A. Crayne wrote: > > I cannot find your name mentioned anywhere, although the addendum does > mention that an internals pamphlet can be obtained from LAZER SYSTEMS, > upon execution of a non-disclosure agreement, and regrets that "source > listings are not available". > > -- Chuck BTW, once Brian was done supporting LISA, the source code was placed on the net for people to look at, here are some references I've found to it (note, btw, that I never did possess the source code to the final versions of LISA -- I just wasn't interested in the product during the later years): http://www.apple2.org.za/mirrors/apple2.caltech.edu/8bit/dev/lisa/lisa.readme http://www.apple2.org.za/mirrors/apple2.caltech.edu/8bit/dev/lisa/ Cheers, Randy Hyde
From: William J. Leary Jr. on 29 Jul 2006 22:48 <rhyde(a)cs.ucr.edu> wrote in message news:1154224951.363980.21050(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > http://www.apple2.org.za/mirrors/apple2.caltech.edu/8bit/dev/lisa/ From lisadox.txt at the above URL: DOCUMENTATION FOR LISA V3.2 =========================== copyright 1983, Randall Hyde copyright 1983, LazerWare All Rights Reserved - Bill
From: johnzulu[at]yahoo.com on 30 Jul 2006 02:30
The current market for assemblers in the embedded world is not hot too. PIC and Atmel are providing free assemblers with their product. Not sure of the rest. From the look of things providing development tools does not look lucrative anymore. Open source has done good and bad. Ppl now have to look for other means of making money writing software. I don't see how companies like metrowerks can make money when there are alternatives to their product. The venerable GCC. PS2 and other game development software can bring up the figures. But when it comes to Palm or WinCE I see no market value there. The result of lack of market kills innovation. At least when the innovation stop, assembly programmers might regain their value once again! John > >Yes. It was, after all, a commercial product. Back then, you could >actually make a decent enough living selling a product like an >assembler. But the sales of LISA were also what convinced me that >attempting to sell an assembler is a waste of time. Of course, when >even *Microsoft* is unable to sell an assembler, you know that >attempting to commercialize such a product for the general PC >marketplace is a waste of time (of course, assemblers for embedded >systems are still a good enough market that people can sell their >wares). Me? I decided to give the software away and make whatever money >is to be made off the books that go along with the assembler. :-). > >Cheers, >Randy Hyde |