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From: The Older Gentleman on 23 Mar 2010 18:33
Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote:

> Indesign files are compatible with regards to the Windows / Mac issues,
> but they are not necessarily totally compatible between versions, for
> example there are problems saving something in CS4 which can be opened
> in CS2 without an intermediate step.

And I will just *bet* there is a font conflict lurking in the shadows,
somewhere, too.

My company (also a large publisher) has just decided to go InDesign from
Quark as well.

I'm slightly sad, as I've used Quark for 15+ years and am happily fluent
in it. But what's worse is that the brass decided to remove page layout
entirely from the editorial staff and put it entirely in the hands of
newly-trained designers with no, repeat *no* editorial experience.

So no idea of how to write headlines, make headlines fit, how to edit
stories to fit, how to put crossheads in the right place, etc etc etc.

In short, no idea how to sub.

My dep and I have just successfull fought a rearguard action to get
InDesign installed on an editorial machine, having argued the corner:
"This is an editorial function, not design."

"No, it isn't."

"Yes, it is."

"No, it isn't."

"Yes, it is. How are these guys supposed to write headlines quickly, to
fit?"

"You do that with your copy, and they'll take the headlines in."

"No. Writing to fit involves character and even pica ems counting, and
that is a skill that has died out, except for with old dinosaurs like
me. The staff *cannot do this*."

This was adequately demonstrated this week, with the first issue of a
*massive* makeover. The new layout boys couldn't write the headlines,
didn't know how to make copy fit a page, and the young staff couldn't
write to fit, so we were reduced to printing off half-finished pages and
making massive corrections on paper, FFS.

And I'd sit down on the designer's machine, and simply write perfectly
fitting headlines into the boxes for them because... well, because
that's what I can do.

"How do you *do* that?" I've been asked. What's the answer? Because I do
crosswords. I like anagrams and palindromes and word puzzles. I have
words, text, fonts, letters and language flowing in my veins. It's not
"hard". It's just completely natural. No biggie at all.

We get our InDesign later this week.


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From: Martin-S on 23 Mar 2010 18:39
In article <80sqgoFuskU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote:

> Indesign files are compatible with regards to the Windows / Mac issues,
> but they are not necessarily totally compatible between versions, for
> example there are problems saving something in CS4 which can be opened
> in CS2 without an intermediate step.

I don't know if this has changed lately, but we always got bitten by
font issues when exchanging documents (any, not just ID) between
platforms. If the font names and -versions didn't match you'd get
substituted fonts and reflow.

Nowadays you should be able to not only use PC fonts on the Mac, but
also Open Type fonts for cross-platform compatibility. That won't help
with legacy files though.

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From: Elliott Roper on 23 Mar 2010 18:58
In article <1jftvix.n3hcy9v47enbN%totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk>, The
Older Gentleman <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>
>
> This was adequately demonstrated this week, with the first issue of a
> *massive* makeover. The new layout boys couldn't write the headlines,
> didn't know how to make copy fit a page, and the young staff couldn't
> write to fit, so we were reduced to printing off half-finished pages and
> making massive corrections on paper, FFS.
>
> And I'd sit down on the designer's machine, and simply write perfectly
> fitting headlines into the boxes for them because... well, because
> that's what I can do.
>
> "How do you *do* that?" I've been asked. What's the answer? Because I do
> crosswords. I like anagrams and palindromes and word puzzles. I have
> words, text, fonts, letters and language flowing in my veins. It's not
> "hard". It's just completely natural. No biggie at all.
>
> We get our InDesign later this week.

Yikes! A staff re-org, a makeover and brand new software all at once?
Does your boss like livin' dangerously?

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From: eastender on 23 Mar 2010 19:00
In article <1jftvix.n3hcy9v47enbN%totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk>,
totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote:

> The new layout boys couldn't write the headlines,

Front-page headline in today's Docklands newspaper:

'Flat viewing ends with a grizzly find'

> We get our InDesign later this week.

As a Quark man myself I feel your pain. Indesign might be more powerful
but it's made me feel powerless.

E.
From: Duncan Kennedy on 24 Mar 2010 06:48
In message <cgzjmthpzs-03492F.22393723032010(a)news.simnet.is>, Martin-S
<cgzjmthpzs(a)lzrpqi.net> writes
>Nowadays you should be able to not only use PC fonts on the Mac, but
>also Open Type fonts for cross-platform compatibility. That won't help
>with legacy files though.
>
I wish. I have a couple of font families bought at some expense several
years ago for a contract with a very large multi-national . These are
listed as Type I and were used with Freehand / Illustrator. They are
..PFB / .pfm format - and they simply are not liked by my new Macs. I
gather they may work with Quark but I don't use that - and I know I can
get an application to convert them - at a price. Fortunately I still
have XP and Vista boxes.



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