Are there any man pages for any of the system error messages?
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From: Marten Kemp on 6 Apr 2010 19:56 Mark Hobley wrote: > In comp.os.linux.misc despen(a)verizon.net wrote: >> home> ls -l nonsuchfile >> /bin/ls: cannot access nonsuchfile: No such file or directory >> >> Do you really think a message number would help? > > It might help a user who has that error pop up on the screen during operation, > because they can reference the message number against the documentation. > > If on the other hand, they google for the message as output above, the only > documentation that they get, is a single hit to your post. > > Lets, look at another example. A user opens up their internet browser, starts > browsing the web, and the following error message appears: > > (gecko:nnnn): Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GPOS table 5503 > > Who the hell knows what means? An end user may have a real hard time trying > to resolve that error, if they cannot relate the message to appropriate > reference documentation. Numbering the messages so that this can be related > to reference documentation is just a good idea IMHO. On googling for mesage output - I've run into a 'display limit' when running Debian's aptitude and the only hits I've ever gotten are posts that I've made asking for clarification. I come from an IBM mainframe environment where messages have numbers (see my earlier post). They make life immeasurably simpler, even in environments without as steep a learning curve as Linux does. This is one of the differences between a professionally-designed and -written OS and something else. IMHO, of course. -- -- Marten Kemp (Fix ISP to reply) You can't help being ignorant 'cause there's always something you don't know; what you can't be is stupid.
From: Sidney Lambe on 6 Apr 2010 21:00 On comp.os.linux.misc, Marten Kemp <marten.kemp(a)thisplanet-link.net> wrote: > From: Marten Kemp <marten.kemp(a)thisplanet-link.net> > Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.os.linux.misc > Subject: Re: Are there any man pages for any of the system error messages? > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:56:52 -0400 > Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server > Lines: 40 > Message-ID: <hpghoa$1kj$1(a)speranza.aioe.org> > References: <565n87-uta.ln1(a)neptune.markhobley.yi.org> <ick4smlpil.fsf(a)verizon.net> <tico87-m7b.ln1(a)neptune.markhobley.yi.org> <iczl1hjqtm.fsf(a)verizon.net> <hols87-vfc.ln1(a)neptune.markhobley.yi.org> > Reply-To: marten.kemp(a)thisplanet-link.net > NNTP-Posting-Host: XeMTe4goQluOzT6zZui20Q.user.speranza.aioe.org > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)aioe.org > X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Path: x-privat.org!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!not-for-mail > Xref: newsfeed.x-privat.org comp.unix.bsd.misc:173 > comp.os.linux.misc:81542 > > Mark Hobley wrote: > >> In comp.os.linux.misc despen(a)verizon.net wrote: >> >>> home> ls -l nonsuchfile /bin/ls: cannot access nonsuchfile: >>> No such file or directory >>> >>> Do you really think a message number would help? >> >> It might help a user who has that error pop up on the screen >> during operation, because they can reference the message >> number against the documentation. >> >> If on the other hand, they google for the message as output >> above, the only documentation that they get, is a single hit >> to your post. >> >> Lets, look at another example. A user opens up their internet >> browser, starts browsing the web, and the following error >> message appears: >> >> (gecko:nnnn): Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GPOS table 5503 >> >> Who the hell knows what means? An end user may have a real >> hard time trying to resolve that error, if they cannot relate >> the message to appropriate reference documentation. Numbering >> the messages so that this can be related to reference >> documentation is just a good idea IMHO. > > On googling for mesage output - I've run into a 'display limit' > when running Debian's aptitude and the only hits I've ever > gotten are posts that I've made asking for clarification. > > I come from an IBM mainframe environment where messages have > numbers (see my earlier post). They make life immeasurably > simpler, even in environments without as steep a learning curve > as Linux does. > > This is one of the differences between a > professionally-designed and -written OS and something else. Try slackware without KDE/Gnome, etc. and you'll change your mind about what Linux can be. It is modeled after the Unix OSes not the fumblings of the folks at GNU as they try desperately and foolishly to be different from Unix. > > IMHO, of course. Says a guy running Windows. ROTFL! > -- > Marten Kemp (Fix ISP to reply) You can't help being > ignorant 'cause there's always something you don't know; what > you can't be is stupid. You've just proven yourself wrong there! ROTFLMAO!! Sid
From: despen on 6 Apr 2010 21:06 despen(a)verizon.net writes: > I've seen it, worked with it, it's a total waste of time. > > The first thing I'd do is: > > TSO PROFILE NOWTPMSG Sorry, for those who know what thats about, it should be: TSO PROFILE NOMSGID
From: Robert Riches on 7 Apr 2010 00:10 On 2010-04-06, John Hasler <jhasler(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > Mark writes: >> If on the other hand, they google for the message as output above, the >> only documentation that they get, is a single hit to your post. > > How many hits are they going to get on "/bin/ls: cannot access > nonsuchfile: No such file or directory: error 53555"? A user who > Googles for the complete message including file name has no hope anyway. On Mandriva 2010.0, this command ls fred produces this output ls: cannot access fred: No such file or directory So, I put this in Google's search term box: "ls: cannot access" "No such file or directory" It got 82,700 hits. A user should know that the name of the file in the middle of the message is a dynamic part of the message--that's just common sense. Or, is that what you meant by your last sentence quoted above, that a user who doesn't realize that is beyond hope? -- Robert Riches spamtrap42(a)verizon.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
From: Mark Hobley on 7 Apr 2010 04:29
In comp.unix.bsd.misc unruh <unruh(a)wormhole.physics.ubc.ca> wrote: > How in the world is this "numbering" supposed to work? Are you going to > force all writers of programs to apply to you for a number for each of > their error messages? I will publish all of the numbers for the messages that I have. Writers can apply to me for additional messages, if an existing one does not suit them. They can then output the numbers against the error messages within their software. I am also developing some infrastructure that will translate the number into an appropriate error message. It will also be possible for programmers to ask the infrastructure to output the error messages, rather than outputting the messages directly. > Simply no way Jose. You don't have to do this, of course. This is open source. Everyone has different policies. If a piece of software does not have the numbers, it can simply be forked and the numbers added to the output of the fork. Mark. -- Mark Hobley Linux User: #370818 http://markhobley.yi.org/ |