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From: Me, ...again! on 7 Jun 2010 07:48 On Mon, 7 Jun 2010, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Jun 7, 4:12 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy- > Everyth...(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote: >> On 6/6/2010 6:33 AM, Me, ...again! wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >> >>>> On Jun 6, 4:48 am, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>>>> On Jun 5, 8:18 pm, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Romanise wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jun 4, 1:50 am, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> Now the big question is: Who wants to buy such a car??? Anyone >>>>>>>>>> around...? >> >>>>>>>>> How much will it cost? >> >>>>>>>>> And, if a terrorist hits the hydrogen tank with armor-piercing >>>>>>>>> bullets? >> >>>>>>>>> .... BOOM ....... >> >>>>>>>> Assuming that Hydrogen is cheaper to get (use) than fossil fuels, is >>>>>>>> it stayed away from for the safety reasons ? >> >>>>>>> There are no hydrogen-based internal combustion engines anywhere >>>>>>> except >>>>>>> maybe a few laboratories. There are no "gas stations" for hydrogen. >>>>>>> There >>>>>>> are no "refineries" for massive production of hydrogen. No >>>>>>> infrastructure. >>>>>>> No large trucks with special tanks for transporting to "gas stations." >> >>>>>>> As a comparison, there are already quite a few internal combustion >>>>>>> engines >>>>>>> for propane, a three carbon molecule which is a gas at low pressure >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> room temperature, but stored as a liquid under moderate pressure. I >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> some of them all the time in commercial locations as "fork-lift >>>>>>> vehicles" >>>>>>> and some buses and a few small trucks. Some electric generators are >>>>>>> propane-powered. So, it would probably be easy to convert these from >>>>>>> propane to hydrogen. >> >>>>>>> Also, people are not familiar with hydrogen, so they would be slow to >>>>>>> adopt. But, in the beginning it would be expensive to get the first >>>>>>> installations of all of this infrastructure. >> >>>>>>> We already have on our roads the hybrids: gasoline/electric. And, some >>>>>>> pure electric cars with rechargeable batteries will be coming out on a >>>>>>> large scale in 1-2 years but will have low range (like 100+ miles, >>>>>>> before >>>>>>> needing a recharge). >> >>>>>> Oi doggie, when the game is not going in your favour, you play another >>>>>> game or change the rules. When as a kid I was about to defeat my >>>>>> father in chess, he would throw down all the pieces. So change the >>>>>> technology, get an advantage... >> >>>>> Like I said, its a good idea. Problem is not that much commercial >>>>> interest.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>> "Ah love! Could you and I with Fate conspire >>>> To change the sorry state of things entire - >>>> Would we not shatter it to bits, and then >>>> Remould it entire to the heart's desire?" >> >>>> from the Rubaiyats of Omar Khayyam >> >>> "Lord what fools these mortals be" (Shakespeare [like him or not]) >> >> We're all Gods > > Except for atheists of all sorts: einsteinians, frauds, liars, > murderers, etc. > There is a nice low-level flamewar going on now on sci.physics.relativity and sci.physics if you care to join and tell them what you think of Einstein, etc.
From: Arindam Banerjee on 7 Jun 2010 08:51
On Jun 7, 9:48 pm, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote: > On Mon, 7 Jun 2010, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Jun 7, 4:12 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy- > > Everyth...(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote: > >> On 6/6/2010 6:33 AM, Me, ...again! wrote: > > >>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > >>>> On Jun 6, 4:48 am, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>>>>> On Jun 5, 8:18 pm, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Romanise wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Jun 4, 1:50 am, "Me, ...again!" <arthu...(a)mv.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> Now the big question is: Who wants to buy such a car??? Anyone > >>>>>>>>>> around...? > > >>>>>>>>> How much will it cost? > > >>>>>>>>> And, if a terrorist hits the hydrogen tank with armor-piercing > >>>>>>>>> bullets? > > >>>>>>>>> .... BOOM ....... > > >>>>>>>> Assuming that Hydrogen is cheaper to get (use) than fossil fuels, is > >>>>>>>> it stayed away from for the safety reasons ? > > >>>>>>> There are no hydrogen-based internal combustion engines anywhere > >>>>>>> except > >>>>>>> maybe a few laboratories. There are no "gas stations" for hydrogen. > >>>>>>> There > >>>>>>> are no "refineries" for massive production of hydrogen. No > >>>>>>> infrastructure. > >>>>>>> No large trucks with special tanks for transporting to "gas stations." > > >>>>>>> As a comparison, there are already quite a few internal combustion > >>>>>>> engines > >>>>>>> for propane, a three carbon molecule which is a gas at low pressure > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> room temperature, but stored as a liquid under moderate pressure. I > >>>>>>> see > >>>>>>> some of them all the time in commercial locations as "fork-lift > >>>>>>> vehicles" > >>>>>>> and some buses and a few small trucks. Some electric generators are > >>>>>>> propane-powered. So, it would probably be easy to convert these from > >>>>>>> propane to hydrogen. > > >>>>>>> Also, people are not familiar with hydrogen, so they would be slow to > >>>>>>> adopt. But, in the beginning it would be expensive to get the first > >>>>>>> installations of all of this infrastructure. > > >>>>>>> We already have on our roads the hybrids: gasoline/electric. And, some > >>>>>>> pure electric cars with rechargeable batteries will be coming out on a > >>>>>>> large scale in 1-2 years but will have low range (like 100+ miles, > >>>>>>> before > >>>>>>> needing a recharge). > > >>>>>> Oi doggie, when the game is not going in your favour, you play another > >>>>>> game or change the rules. When as a kid I was about to defeat my > >>>>>> father in chess, he would throw down all the pieces. So change the > >>>>>> technology, get an advantage... > > >>>>> Like I said, its a good idea. Problem is not that much commercial > >>>>> interest.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>> "Ah love! Could you and I with Fate conspire > >>>> To change the sorry state of things entire - > >>>> Would we not shatter it to bits, and then > >>>> Remould it entire to the heart's desire?" > > >>>> from the Rubaiyats of Omar Khayyam > > >>> "Lord what fools these mortals be" (Shakespeare [like him or not]) > > >> We're all Gods > > > Except for atheists of all sorts: einsteinians, frauds, liars, > > murderers, etc. > > There is a nice low-level flamewar going on now on sci.physics.relativity > and sci.physics if you care to join and tell them what you think of > Einstein, etc Will check it up tomorrow. Signing off for now... Arindam. |