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From: BURT on 3 Jun 2010 21:39
This assumption must be challenged. It is part of particle
acceleration physics. But how do we know what the particle
experiences? It is a fact that we don't. And our trains have never
been observed to shrink either.

It is simple. If atoms size contracts along the direction of motion
then atoms physics can be proven to fail due to lopsidedness of the
forces within the atom itself.

There are No Flattened atoms. Who wants to challenge it?
They remain spherical.


Mitch Raemsch
From: rick_s on 3 Jun 2010 13:50
In article
<0ea74c6d-26e1-48f3-9f4d-599eaabdd5ad(a)n20g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
macromitch(a)yahoo.com says...
>
>
>This assumption must be challenged. It is part of particle
>acceleration physics. But how do we know what the particle
>experiences? It is a fact that we don't. And our trains have never
>been observed to shrink either.
>
>It is simple. If atoms size contracts along the direction of motion
>then atoms physics can be proven to fail due to lopsidedness of the
>forces within the atom itself.
>
>There are No Flattened atoms. Who wants to challenge it?
>They remain spherical.
>
>
>Mitch Raemsch


The atom includes black body radiation, magnetism, dark energy.
It doesn't stop at the nucleus. In fact most of the work it does happens
at the electron radius.

So what shrinks is the distance between the electron radius and the
nucleus. Stop and consider what determines length in a piece of wood or
metal. So if the atoms are closer together due to acceleration thats
length contraction.

From: BURT on 3 Jun 2010 21:57
On Jun 3, 10:50 am, rick_s <m...(a)my.com> wrote:
> In article
> <0ea74c6d-26e1-48f3-9f4d-599eaabdd...(a)n20g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> macromi...(a)yahoo.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >This assumption must be challenged. It is part of particle
> >acceleration  physics. But how do we know what the particle
> >experiences? It is a fact that we don't. And our trains have never
> >been observed to shrink either.
>
> >It is simple. If atoms size contracts along the direction of motion
> >then atoms physics can be proven to fail due to lopsidedness of the
> >forces within the atom itself.
>
> >There are No Flattened atoms. Who wants to challenge it?
> >They remain spherical.
>
> >Mitch Raemsch
>
> The atom includes black body radiation, magnetism, dark energy.
> It doesn't stop at the nucleus. In fact most of the work it does happens
> at the electron radius.
>
> So what shrinks is the distance between the electron radius and the
> nucleus. Stop and consider what determines length in a piece of wood or
> metal. So if the atoms are closer together due to acceleration thats
> length contraction.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The whole atom energy form is supposed to shrink along one direction
of its size. But it fails. It fails by creating lopsidednes of the
order of the forces throughout the atom form and individual parts.

Mitch Raemsch
From: blackhead on 3 Jun 2010 22:27
On 4 June, 02:39, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> This assumption must be challenged. It is part of particle
> acceleration  physics. But how do we know what the particle
> experiences? It is a fact that we don't. And our trains have never
> been observed to shrink either.
>
> It is simple. If atoms size contracts along the direction of motion
> then atoms physics can be proven to fail due to lopsidedness of the
> forces within the atom itself.
>
> There are No Flattened atoms. Who wants to challenge it?
> They remain spherical.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

The LC wasn't used as an assumption by Einstein, but followed from
assuming c = const in all frames. On the other hand, by assuming the
LC, you can do everyting Einstein showed and also there must be a
limiting velocity = c for all frames. Loads of papers have been
written on deriving the Lorentz transformations from other
assumptions.

Larry
From: BURT on 3 Jun 2010 23:20
On Jun 3, 7:27 pm, blackhead <larryhar...(a)softhome.net> wrote:
> On 4 June, 02:39, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > This assumption must be challenged. It is part of particle
> > acceleration  physics. But how do we know what the particle
> > experiences? It is a fact that we don't. And our trains have never
> > been observed to shrink either.
>
> > It is simple. If atoms size contracts along the direction of motion
> > then atoms physics can be proven to fail due to lopsidedness of the
> > forces within the atom itself.
>
> > There are No Flattened atoms. Who wants to challenge it?
> > They remain spherical.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> The LC wasn't used as an assumption by Einstein, but followed from
> assuming c = const in all frames. On the other hand, by assuming the
> LC, you can do everyting Einstein showed and also there must be a
> limiting velocity = c for all frames. Loads of papers have been
> written on deriving the Lorentz transformations from other
> assumptions.
>
> Larry

I have to point out it is an assumption. Particle acceleration physics
includes it as an assumption. It takes those high speeds. But no one
can see what the accelerated particle can see and thus it is an
unmeasured assumption.

It doesn't matter how many papers are written if it is wrong.

Most of science is wrong and you can't expect otherwise because it is
far too young. It has barely begun. Most of what we think we know is
simply wrong.

Mitch Raemsch
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