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From: John Thompson on 17 Feb 2010 23:13
On 2010-02-17, JT <reply_only_to(a)newsgroup.nl> wrote:

> On 17/02/10 09:56, voice_of_reason(a)australia.edu wrote:
>>
>> What of making wireless internet connections?
>>
>> As it is now, when I turn on my laptop at home, it auto-detects my
>> home wirelsess network and connects. Same when I am in my office.
>>
>> Are there similar features/capabilities available in Ubuntu?

> - Wireless network is recognized out-of-the box on my Acer-Aspire-One
> running Suse-11.2. I'm almost sure that Ubuntu will work also.

Wireless network works out-of-the-box on my Acer Aspire-One running
xubuntu-9.10. I just open the lid and it connects automatically to the
nearest open access point.

--

-John (john(a)os2.dhs.org)
From: felmon on 6 Mar 2010 14:26
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:27:00 +0100, tuuttuuttuut(a)home.nl wrote:

> I went from MS to RedHat to Ubuntu, to Mint and now I am using Sidux.
> They all have pro`s and cons.

not interested in any 'religious wars', just in opinions. what do you
like about Sidux?

to use your analogy, I am now mostly 'stuck on' Debian Lenny and I'm
exclusively a KDE man.

Felmon
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 13 Mar 2010 11:10
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 13:26:13 -0600, felmon wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:27:00 +0100, tuuttuuttuut(a)home.nl wrote:
>
>> I went from MS to RedHat to Ubuntu, to Mint and now I am using Sidux.
>> They all have pro`s and cons.
>
> not interested in any 'religious wars', just in opinions. what do you like
> about Sidux?
>
> to use your analogy, I am now mostly 'stuck on' Debian Lenny and I'm
> exclusively a KDE man.
>
> Felmon

Ah, the other problem with Linux! Not like Windows, where you get one
version os Explorer for your desktop, NOW you have to decide which window
manager to use!

Do you like a spartan look like Window Maker? Do you like Full Flavor like
KDE or Gnome? Decisions decisions!

And which FREE app do I want to use to watch videos, listen to music,
browse my camera, write documents? Too much!

Never mind which version! Who wants to download the latest release or a
completely different version, burn it to a CD or DVD and try it out before
installing it? What bother!

Besides, this program doesn't work like the Windows version, it seems to
have more options!

Seven years ago I was lamenting in the SuSE forum how Linux should be made
more like Windows, especially for us Neophytes because it's a bit
confusing. Seven years later here I am looking at Windows 7 saying it's
ALMOST enough to make me leave Linux. Almost...

A couple things neophytes should understand: Linux is NOT windows; it is a
LOT more powerful, and especially if you have more than one user on the
machine. It can be set up in entirely different ways from one user to
another. Even if there is only one user, one window manager can be set up
entirely different from another.

Apps? You get what you pay for. So it doesn't have all the functionality
of Photoshop! You also didn't pay $700 for it! Besides, apps are getting
upgraded frequently, and if it comes out in the Windows world, you'll see
a similar Linux app shortlty. Or perhaps a better one.

There is a learning curve associated with it, especially if you like
having the latest and greatest hardware. Since most people run Windows of
one sort or another, the manufacturers make sure their hardware is Windows
compatible. You may have to do some hunting to find the right driver, or
one good enough to work. It will come along if the manufacturer didn't
already include one.

Multimedia can be tough. I have found PCLinuxOS to be the best when it
comes to multimedia. It just seems more capable at handling odd codecs
better. Don't ask me how I did it, I just installed every single codec I
could find.

Speaking of finding apps, here's where the Neophyte will probably run into
trouble. Can't install because WHAT wasn't found? This is where Google and
a good package manager come in. Occasionally you'll get stuck in
dependancy hell, but that is becoming a lot rarer these days. It ha become
a lot easier to force a different library on your machine and NOT crash
every 15 minutes.

BTW, I make my living supporting Windows Operating systems... ;)





From: ray on 13 Mar 2010 11:46
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 11:10:08 -0500, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 13:26:13 -0600, felmon wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:27:00 +0100, tuuttuuttuut(a)home.nl wrote:
>>
>>> I went from MS to RedHat to Ubuntu, to Mint and now I am using Sidux.
>>> They all have pro`s and cons.
>>
>> not interested in any 'religious wars', just in opinions. what do you
>> like about Sidux?
>>
>> to use your analogy, I am now mostly 'stuck on' Debian Lenny and I'm
>> exclusively a KDE man.
>>
>> Felmon
>
> Ah, the other problem with Linux! Not like Windows, where you get one
> version os Explorer for your desktop, NOW you have to decide which
> window manager to use!
>

CHOICE involves decision.

> Do you like a spartan look like Window Maker? Do you like Full Flavor
> like KDE or Gnome? Decisions decisions!
>
> And which FREE app do I want to use to watch videos, listen to music,
> browse my camera, write documents? Too much!

Keyword: FREE. I guess it's better to spend a few hundred dollars for
something like that and have done with it.

>
> Never mind which version! Who wants to download the latest release or a
> completely different version, burn it to a CD or DVD and try it out
> before installing it? What bother!

No need - download the ISO and start in a virtual machine - don't even
have to reboot!

>
> Besides, this program doesn't work like the Windows version, it seems to
> have more options!
>
> Seven years ago I was lamenting in the SuSE forum how Linux should be
> made more like Windows, especially for us Neophytes because it's a bit
> confusing. Seven years later here I am looking at Windows 7 saying it's
> ALMOST enough to make me leave Linux. Almost...

Why? Linux is NOT MS - why should it look like it and act like it? There
is less relearning with a new Linux version or distribution than there is
with a new MS release! Linux is no more difficult to use or learn than MS
- it's just a little different.

>
> A couple things neophytes should understand: Linux is NOT windows; it is
> a LOT more powerful, and especially if you have more than one user on
> the machine. It can be set up in entirely different ways from one user
> to another. Even if there is only one user, one window manager can be
> set up entirely different from another.
>
> Apps? You get what you pay for. So it doesn't have all the functionality
> of Photoshop! You also didn't pay $700 for it! Besides, apps are getting
> upgraded frequently, and if it comes out in the Windows world, you'll
> see a similar Linux app shortlty. Or perhaps a better one.
>
> There is a learning curve associated with it, especially if you like
> having the latest and greatest hardware. Since most people run Windows
> of one sort or another, the manufacturers make sure their hardware is
> Windows compatible. You may have to do some hunting to find the right
> driver, or one good enough to work. It will come along if the
> manufacturer didn't already include one.
>
> Multimedia can be tough. I have found PCLinuxOS to be the best when it
> comes to multimedia. It just seems more capable at handling odd codecs
> better. Don't ask me how I did it, I just installed every single codec I
> could find.
>
> Speaking of finding apps, here's where the Neophyte will probably run
> into trouble. Can't install because WHAT wasn't found? This is where
> Google and a good package manager come in. Occasionally you'll get stuck
> in dependancy hell, but that is becoming a lot rarer these days. It ha
> become a lot easier to force a different library on your machine and NOT
> crash every 15 minutes.

I've never seen a 'dependency hell' with a Debian package management
system. Only problems I've encountered were with RPM systems and Gentoo -
but then I've not tried everything.


>
> BTW, I make my living supporting Windows Operating systems... ;)

You have my sympathy. I worked as a computer scientist for 30 years for
DOD - doing scientific software support and development. Only rarely did
I have to muck with MS. In my retirement, I'm perfectly willing to help
folks with computer issues - but I don't do MS. BTW - I do admin 14
public access computers at the local library - all running Linux. I also
do several web sites for non-profits and have developed a few shooting
related applications - all using Linux - we have 6 computers on our home
network - I think one of them may be capable of booting into MS - but I
haven't even tried that for several years now.
From: Ivan Marsh on 15 Mar 2010 11:03
Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 13:26:13 -0600, felmon wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:27:00 +0100, tuuttuuttuut(a)home.nl wrote:
>>
>>> I went from MS to RedHat to Ubuntu, to Mint and now I am using Sidux.
>>> They all have pro`s and cons.
>>
>> not interested in any 'religious wars', just in opinions. what do you
>> like about Sidux?
>>
>> to use your analogy, I am now mostly 'stuck on' Debian Lenny and I'm
>> exclusively a KDE man.
>>
>> Felmon
>
> Ah, the other problem with Linux! Not like Windows, where you get one
> version os Explorer for your desktop, NOW you have to decide which window
> manager to use!

OH NO!!! FREEDOM!?!?!??!
Choice is not a problem.

--
"All right, all right, if it will make you happy, I will overthrow society."
  - Philip J. Fry
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