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From: J. Clarke on 10 Apr 2010 11:19 On 4/10/2010 1:12 AM, nospam wrote: > In article<hp10s5tn7sad5d5b66j9s6hlepbb1p63i4(a)4ax.com>, John A. > <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > >>>> The fact that you work it with your fingers instead of a stylus or a >>>> mouse& keyboard doesn't make it fundamentally different. It's just a >>>> detail of the UI design. >>> >>> it makes it very different. >> >> It makes the UI different. Replace a truck's steering wheel and pedals >> with a couple joysticks and you've got a very different driving >> experience, but it's still a truck. > > bad analogy. that's like switching a mouse for a trackpad. > > an ipad runs a different os than what's on a desktop, with different > apps designed for touch. it's not a laptop without a keyboard. So what?
From: J. Clarke on 10 Apr 2010 11:22 On 4/10/2010 9:31 AM, Stuffed Crust wrote: > In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems C J Campbell<christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> It is really funny. This is like the people who keep insisting that OS >> X does not support true 64 bit processing. It is the old "moving the >> goal posts" fallacy. Apple adds multitasking, then say it is not "true" >> multitasking. > > Yes, OSX didn't support native 64-bit processing in userspace until Snow > Leopoard's release. Apple trumpeted this as one of its big new features. > (See http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/#sixtyfourbit) > >> Note that these critics will never tell you what "true" multitasking >> is, either. After all, people might hold the devices and operating >> systems they say are better to the same standards. That would never do. > > Okay, do you really want to know? The explanation is going to be > technical and boring, and in the end, you'll probably just counter with > "so what, it looks the same to the user?" > >> It appears that the main reason Apple is not supporting Flash on the >> iPad is that Flash interferes with multitasking. Apple's multitasking >> is implemented in seven APIs. Fast Switching allows apps to be frozen > > Eh, that's bullshit. A much more poignant reason is that most flash > stuff is designed for mouse interation (especially "hovering") and as > such simply won't work with a touch interface. Seven APIs? What did they do, dust off pre OS/X MacOS? Geez, talk about a giant leap backward . . . > >> It seems to me that when people say that the iPad and iPhone do not >> have true multitasking then what they really mean is that the iPad and >> iPhone do not have a crappy, poorly implemented, battery draining form >> of multitasking like they are used to. > > You do realize you're just "moved the goalposts" by redefining what > "multitasking" is to suit your argument? > >> There is absolutely nothing that stops Adobe from developing a version >> of Flash that would meet the needs of the iPhone/iPad API. Yet Adobe >> does not do this. That is certainly not Apple's fault. > > See section 3.3.1 of the "proposed" OS4 SDK license. Adobe is > dissallowed from writing a version of Flash without special dispensation > from Apple, and even then, anyone wanting to actually use Flash would > also have to get special dispensation. > > - Solomon
From: tony cooper on 10 Apr 2010 11:31 On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:16:03 -0700, C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On 2010-04-09 20:57:18 -0700, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> said: > >> On 4/9/2010 11:24 PM, nospam wrote: >>> In article<k3qvr5l69osbf91i7g58uvarjdd02fp3hu(a)4ax.com>, John A. >>> <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>>>> A pickup isn't a dump truck, but it certainly has a certain fraction >>>>>> of the capabilities of one. >>>>> >>>>> bad analogy. they're both trucks. >>>>> >>>>> the ipad is not a netbook, it's a tablet. it has a lot more in common >>>>> with a kindle than it does a netbook. it's in many ways, a kindle on an >>>>> awful lot of steroids. >>>> >>>> Not a bad analogy at all. >>> >>> yes it is >>> >>>> They're both handheld devices that run >>>> applications and communicate. >>> >>> that's where it ends. >>> >>> a cellphone is a handheld device that runs applications and >>> communicates, so by your metric, a cellphone is also a netbook. >>> >>>> And one's capabilities are largely a >>>> subset of the other's. >>> >>> actually, they're different with some overlap. >>> >>>> The book vs tablet difference is just the physical UI. To say they're >>>> apples& oranges is like saying it's impossible to compare the >>>> capabilities of a pen and a typewriter. >>> >>> a pen is not a 'smaller typewriter' and an ipad is not a 'less capable >>> netbook.' >> >> He didn't say that it was a netbook, he said that it was less capable >> than a netbook? Is the problem that (a) you're not a native speaker of >> English, (b) you failed reading comprehension, (c) you're stupid or >> (d) you're just a jackass? > >Well, what he said is about equivalent to saying that an automobile is >less capable than a boat. Meaningless. Not all automobiles are less capable than a boat: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Photography/Miscellanea/2010-03-27-005/820934679_RaFVY-XL.jpg http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Photography/Miscellanea/2010-03-27-006/820934755_wW4nx-XL.jpg -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: C J Campbell on 10 Apr 2010 11:40 On 2010-04-10 08:25:37 -0700, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> said: > In article > <2010041008160375249-christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmailcom>, C J > Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Well, what he said is about equivalent to saying that an automobile is >> less capable than a boat. Meaningless. > > why not have both a car *and* a boat? :) > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphicar> I like the way you think, but I prefer separate vehicles. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor
From: C J Campbell on 10 Apr 2010 11:47
On 2010-04-10 08:31:43 -0700, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> said: > On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:16:03 -0700, C J Campbell > <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On 2010-04-09 20:57:18 -0700, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> said: >> >>> On 4/9/2010 11:24 PM, nospam wrote: >>>> In article<k3qvr5l69osbf91i7g58uvarjdd02fp3hu(a)4ax.com>, John A. >>>> <john(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> A pickup isn't a dump truck, but it certainly has a certain fraction >>>>>>> of the capabilities of one. >>>>>> >>>>>> bad analogy. they're both trucks. >>>>>> >>>>>> the ipad is not a netbook, it's a tablet. it has a lot more in common >>>>>> with a kindle than it does a netbook. it's in many ways, a kindle on an >>>>>> awful lot of steroids. >>>>> >>>>> Not a bad analogy at all. >>>> >>>> yes it is >>>> >>>>> They're both handheld devices that run >>>>> applications and communicate. >>>> >>>> that's where it ends. >>>> >>>> a cellphone is a handheld device that runs applications and >>>> communicates, so by your metric, a cellphone is also a netbook. >>>> >>>>> And one's capabilities are largely a >>>>> subset of the other's. >>>> >>>> actually, they're different with some overlap. >>>> >>>>> The book vs tablet difference is just the physical UI. To say they're >>>>> apples& oranges is like saying it's impossible to compare the >>>>> capabilities of a pen and a typewriter. >>>> >>>> a pen is not a 'smaller typewriter' and an ipad is not a 'less capable >>>> netbook.' >>> >>> He didn't say that it was a netbook, he said that it was less capable >>> than a netbook? Is the problem that (a) you're not a native speaker of >>> English, (b) you failed reading comprehension, (c) you're stupid or >>> (d) you're just a jackass? >> >> Well, what he said is about equivalent to saying that an automobile is >> less capable than a boat. Meaningless. > > Not all automobiles are less capable than a boat: > > http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Photography/Miscellanea/2010-03-27-005/820934679_RaFVY-XL.jpg http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Photography/Miscellanea/2010-03-27-006/820934755_wW4nx-XL.jpg If > people expected vehicles to do as many different things as personal computers, they would look like this: http://www.argoatv.com/ I think I need one. -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |