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From: kony on 15 Apr 2010 17:35 On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:16:21 -0500, "DemoDisk" <packrat(a)nospam.com> wrote: >The System: > > K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard (MS-7025) > AMD Athlon64 3000+ w Intel MMX Technology > Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG > WD 20GB HDD > Radeon 8500 video card > 1 GB Crucial RAM > Win98SE > IE 6.00.2800.1106 > OE 6.00.2800.1123 > >The Problem: > >I'm Still using Windows 98SE. Internet Explorer has been unstable for a >loong time. Becomes unresponsive, finally results in BSOD error msgs, >then reboot. What do you mean "then reboot"? Do you mean you choose to reboot or the machine does it by itself? If you mean the machine does it by itself you do not have an IE problem, you have hardware instability and might as well ignore IE until the hardware is stable. Two tests I would run are Prime 95's Torture Test (large in-place FFTs setting) for at least a couple hours, and a memtest86+ boot disc/floppy overnight. Any errors reported would need be resolved before focusing on the OS or apps like IE. >Every OL session ends that way -- IE gets jammed up waiting for Close >Program dialog box to appear. It takes down every other open window app >with it. Scan the system with popular malware/adware/anti-virus scanners, in particular looking for BHOs, browser helper objects many of which are buggy. Remove any you find, even if it is something you wanted to have installed... until you find the root cause of the instability but as mentioned above if machine reboots itself it is probably not IE to blame by itself. You might check the motherboard and PSU for failed capacitors, or of course the other typical things like failed fans, dust cloggage, etc. > >Possible cure: I just got a donated DELL minitower with WinXP installed >on a 40GB hdd. > >If I can't diagnose or solve the instability problem with IE under >Windows 98, could I just swap my old 20GB drive for the one with XP on >it? (and move � a ton of files over?) What do you mean "Just swap"? It would help if you clarified your intentions. No you cannot just throw an XP installation from another system into that one and expect it to boot. There ARE ways to make it work but they are outside the scope of one usenet post. Briefly if that is your intention, Google search for (migrate existing XP installation new) and you should get a few valid results that mention you can add some registry entries and drivers to the existing XP installation while it is on its original system /then/ pull the drive and boot XP in the other system far enough to plug-n-play hardware differences. > >Issues: > >The XP tower boots and responds slowly, maybe bcz it has old Norton >antivirus installed. There may be other problems, but it works OK If the old Norton AV has no new virus definitions it serves little if any purpose. It might respond faster if you disable some OS eyecandy and/or have more than 512MB of memory installed. > >I have the Win98SE key and installation disk, but only the product key >for WinXP (there's a sticker on the case) That's not a problem, the license is tied to the system through that sticker. All you need is to find an (unmolested) XP installation disc ISO online, for the same version of windows (for example XP Home SP1, XP Pro, etc). You will know you have the right version if the product key is accepted when you enter it during installation... although you may still need to call MS to activate it if the bios isn't close enough. Best bet is checking the popular bittorrent 'sites for a Dell OEM XP disc of the same version (home or pro). > >I can't upgrade from 98SE to Windows7. Could I u/g from XP to 7 if I get >it running? >Is it advisable to post this in the ms.public.windows NGs? It is generally a bad idea to upgrade any, but especially an old, OS installation to a newer one. However, the old XP system is certianly underpowered to run Win7 well, even if you upgrade it to 2GB of system memory it will be less desirable than keeping XP on it, including if you have to install XP from scratch. > >Your helpful comments/ideas welcome. >Thanks, >Jm > You have not written much of anything about the PURPOSE behind all this work. What is the system going to be used for, I mean the most demanding or esoteric functions? Will any unique hardware be added that has drivers for only certain OS? Do you have apps you need to add which aren't forward or backwards (OS) compatible? Generally speaking for systems of that age you are best off with WinXP, and as another person mentioned getting away from IE 6 in general enough though as mentioned above it is not likely to be IE in itself that is causing your instability, rather than other browsers have enough benefits over IE that salvaging IE6 may not be the best long term plan... but if you must, you /could/ always do a clean 98 install with IE6 to see if the system is still instable.
From: chuckcar on 15 Apr 2010 20:20 98 Guy <98(a)Guy.com> wrote in news:4BC79FA6.CE6F49A3(a)Guy.com: > chuckcar wrote: > >> > Is there a reason you keep resetting the group distribution >> >> Don't know how to use usenet? > > I've been posting to usenet since, oh, about 1988, so yes, I think I > know how to use usenet. > Nope. Not even close. And I *really* doubt your figure either. >> I use *only* this group, > > That's nice. Which group is that? > The only group you got in my reply of course. <big snip> Well seeing as I see *absolutely* no effort on your part to fix the op's problem, I see no reason to continue replying to you. Ever. Again. bubye. And in addition if you knew squat about the subject or this group, you'd realize just how much of an uphill battle you have arguing with me on this subject. -- (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
From: 98 Guy on 15 Apr 2010 20:49 chuckcar wrote: > > I've been posting to usenet since, oh, about 1988, so yes, I > > think I know how to use usenet. > > > > Nope. Not even close. Sorry to hear that you haven't been posting to usenet as long as I have. Or as you put it - "not even close". > Well seeing as I see *absolutely* no effort on your part to fix > the op's problem, I see no reason to continue replying to you. I replied to the OP and gave him this advice: 1) Running win-98 with 1 gb of RAM will cause problems. Bring the system ram down to 512 mb. 2) Running IE6 is lame, and has been for the past 3 years at least. On a win-98 box, run Firefox 2.0.0.20 instead. The OP has shown no indication of reading or trying my proposed solutions. > Ever. Again. > bubye. Thank you for waving the white flag of surrender. I'll still be here when you post your next reply.
From: DemoDisk on 16 Apr 2010 02:17 "Andy" <nospam@> wrote in message news:tesi97-t4b.ln1(a)fully.qualified.domain.name... > DemoDisk wrote: > > > > > "Andy" <nospam@> wrote in message > > news:5b9g97-q17.ln1(a)fully.qualified.domain.name... > > >> Both machines need to be thrown in the landfill. Sorry. > >> > >> Either that or install Linux. > > > > Ya think that maybe it's the damn OS that needs tossing instead? > > Absolutely. Hence the suggestion to install Linux. Don't worry about > the trolls like Even Platt and Peter Foldes BTW, there's jokers in every > group. I mostly lurk here, but yeah I was getting a little bent out of shape. Thanks
From: DemoDisk on 16 Apr 2010 15:22
"98 Guy" <98(a)Guy.com> wrote in message news:4BC7B429.97D8E724(a)Guy.com... > chuckcar wrote: > > > > I've been posting to usenet since, oh, about 1988, so yes, I > > > think I know how to use usenet. > > > > > > > Nope. Not even close. > > Sorry to hear that you haven't been posting to usenet as long as I > have. > > Or as you put it - "not even close". > > > Well seeing as I see *absolutely* no effort on your part to fix > > the op's problem, I see no reason to continue replying to you. > > I replied to the OP and gave him this advice: > > 1) Running win-98 with 1 gb of RAM will cause problems. Bring > the system ram down to 512 mb. > > 2) Running IE6 is lame, and has been for the past 3 years at least. > On a win-98 box, run Firefox 2.0.0.20 instead. IE6 came with Win98, didn't it -- why is it lame to run it? I'll have to go reread your post. > The OP has shown no indication of reading or trying my proposed > solutions. Yeah, the OP is reading everything posted in this thread. I just can't get back to everyone right away. Sorry. Running Windows98 with 512MB RAM was getting worse as the web got more complex. Plus, I'm on dialup (s---!). Mike Easter months ago advised adding a string ("MaxFileCache=524288") to the System.ini file which allowed me to install 1GB RAM. The system seemed to like it better is all I can say, but the instability issue has grown. Where I would get lockups on occasion before, it has worsened such that nearly every session in which multiple windows are open ends with the system locked up and un-responsive. The only thing possible is to hit the Reset button. > > Ever. Again. > > bubye. > > Thank you for waving the white flag of surrender. > > I'll still be here when you post your next reply. A lot of people are jumping on chuckcar and richard more than they offering answers to 24hs.hd requests. |