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From: Autymn D. C. on 4 Oct 2009 22:25 On Oct 4, 7:16 pm, "Autymn D. C." <lysde...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > -Aut I will also take bodies with a virtval event horizòn; that is, over a thick heavy background medium for Chèrèncov and evanescent waves. But event horizòns don't work if their fields aren't at ground. -Aut
From: Peter Webb on 5 Oct 2009 02:58 "Autymn D. C." <lysdexia(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:7a62b9c4-42d5-4065-a856-d2461bd33ef0(a)h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 4, 6:12 pm, "Autymn D. C." <lysde...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> On Oct 2, 5:35 am, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > As a final conclusion, your point of view is that the use of the words >> > "black hole" is wrong and it should follow the guidance of more >> > knowledgeable people (according to your own rating) and use instead >> > "black hole candidate" or "presumed black hole". My point of view, on >> > the other hand, is that long term observations, and new measurement >> > techniques (including larger optical and radio telescopes with proper >> > instrumentation) are making possible to view more and more detail on >> > what is going on in our galactic center, and that those studies are >> > making the case, for the existence of a super massive black hole >> > there, highly probable. >> >> You are wrong; the black hole is a strawman. Such bodies are nuclear >> collapsars, relativistic dark stars. >> >> -Aut >> >> > We agree to disagree. Let the knowledgeable people find the answers. > > A few fysysysts agree with me: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_star > "A Q-Star, also known as a gray hole, is hypothetical type of a > compact, heavy neutron star with an exotic state of matter." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Star_(semiclassical_gravity) > "A black star is created when matter compresses at a rate > significantly less than the freefall velocity of a hypothetical > particle falling to the center of its star, due to the fact that > quantum processes create vacuum polarization, which creates a form of > degeneracy pressure, preventing spacetime (and the particles held > within it) from occupying the same space at the same time. This energy > is theoretically unlimited..." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy_star > "In March 2005, physicist George Chapline claimed that quantum > mechanics makes it a "near certainty", that black holes do not exist > and are instead dark energy stars. The dark energy star is a different > concept than that of a gravastar." > > -Aut Occam's razor. The trouble with all these theories is that the objects require GR + something else. The standard theory of black holes seems perfectly fine just using GR, at least as far as we can determine experimentally.
From: Autymn D. C. on 5 Oct 2009 18:12 On Oct 4, 8:47 pm, "Charles D. Bohne" <m...(a)PasoSchweiz.de> wrote: > On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:16:56 -0700 (PDT), "Autymn D. C." > > <lysde...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >A few fysysysts agree with me: > > No. > # > How about phühsigg? http://google.com/groups?q=Dohiwtsch > >-Aut > > Hello, Alexia Cameron. I don't know of http://google.com/search?q=%22Alexia+Cameron%22. -Aut
From: Autymn D. C. on 5 Oct 2009 18:23
On Oct 4, 11:58 pm, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > "Autymn D. C." <lysde...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in messagenews:7a62b9c4-42d5-4065-a856-d2461bd33ef0(a)h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Oct 4, 6:12 pm, "Autymn D. C." <lysde...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> On Oct 2, 5:35 am, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > As a final conclusion, your point of view is that the use of the words > >> > "black hole" is wrong and it should follow the guidance of more > >> > knowledgeable people (according to your own rating) and use instead > >> > "black hole candidate" or "presumed black hole". My point of view, on > >> > the other hand, is that long term observations, and new measurement > >> > techniques (including larger optical and radio telescopes with proper > >> > instrumentation) are making possible to view more and more detail on > >> > what is going on in our galactic center, and that those studies are > >> > making the case, for the existence of a super massive black hole > >> > there, highly probable. > > >> You are wrong; the black hole is a strawman. Such bodies are nuclear > >> collapsars, relativistic dark stars. > > >> -Aut > > >> > We agree to disagree. Let the knowledgeable people find the answers. > > > A few fysysysts agree with me: > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_star > > "A Q-Star, also known as a gray hole, is hypothetical type of a > > compact, heavy neutron star with an exotic state of matter." > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Star_(semiclassical_gravity) > > "A black star is created when matter compresses at a rate > > significantly less than the freefall velocity of a hypothetical > > particle falling to the center of its star, due to the fact that > > quantum processes create vacuum polarization, which creates a form of > > degeneracy pressure, preventing spacetime (and the particles held > > within it) from occupying the same space at the same time. This energy > > is theoretically unlimited..." > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy_star > > "In March 2005, physicist George Chapline claimed that quantum > > mechanics makes it a "near certainty", that black holes do not exist > > and are instead dark energy stars. The dark energy star is a different > > concept than that of a gravastar." > > > -Aut > > Occam's razor. > > The trouble with all these theories is that the objects require GR + > something else. The standard theory of black holes seems perfectly fine just > using GR, at least as far as we can determine experimentally. No it doesn't. A black hole takes mass (GR--oh wait, GR doesn't even take "mass".), charge (EM), spin (C), and must speed, freedom, and temperature (C, SR, ThD, QED). Scientists want to forget the latter, along with charge, as charge already makes their fantasy impossibil. -Aut |