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From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on 7 Jun 2010 14:26
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:21:33 +0100, Martin S Taylor
<mst(a)hRyEpMnOoVtEiTsHm.cIo.uSk> wrote:

>Chris Ridd wrote
>>> 2. Parallels. I cannot discover whether a USB keyboard and mouse would
>>> be required, or if it could be set up and used with the wireless ones
>>> she has. I cannot find anything in the literature that explicitly
>>> requires USB kit.
>>>
>>> 3. Fusion. The same applies here - it there is anything that rules out a
>>> wireless keyboard and mouse, I cannot find it.
>>
>> There's also 4. VirtualBox. This is free, unlike Fusion and Parallels.
>> In all routes though you'll need to provide your own Windows.
>
>Will any of these run on a pre-Intel machine? Vt is still on an iMac G5.

Only VirtualPC by Microsoft. I think v7 was the last release.

Cheers - Jaimie
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From: John Hill on 8 Jun 2010 09:39
Julian Jordan <myforename.mysurname(a)bioch.oxdotacdotuk> wrote:

> If the legacy windows apps happen to be supported by crossover:
>
> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
>
> Then you can skip the windows OS/license and run them pretty much
> directly
>
> Worth a look

Well worth a look, and I followed it up at once.

Firstly, my main application (Card Studio 2009, by Hallmark) was listed
as Untested.

Nevertheless I went ahead and got a trial copy of CrossOver, set it up
and popped my install DVD in the slot. After a fair bit of fluffing
around I got the install screen for Card Studio and went ahead.

Installation took a good deal of time on the PC and was no faster on the
iMac. Around half ah hour later, I came to the end and clicked Finish.

I immediately got a notice saying that Card Studion needed Microsoft
..net Framework to run, and this was downloaded (300MB). Install began,
but no more that 20% through it reported an error - a file it couldn't
find IIRC - and exited.

I was left with an icon for Card Studio in the CrossOver environment. I
can launch it but nothing happens, and I can quit it :-(

A companion application, bundled in with Card Studio, works perfectly.

I've reported my problem but looking at the CrossOver site I've very
little expectation that they will be able to help - they will provide
support for problems with appications in their list but not for untested
ones unless there is a lot of demand.

My main worry now is, if this happens in CrossOver, what are my chances
of it happening in a full Windows 7 emulation in Parallels, Fusion or
what have you AFTER I've laid out my hard-earned on System 7?

John.


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From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on 8 Jun 2010 09:45
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:39:00 +0100, nemo(a)erewhon.invalid (John Hill)
wrote:

>My main worry now is, if this happens in CrossOver, what are my chances
>of it happening in a full Windows 7 emulation in Parallels, Fusion or
>what have you AFTER I've laid out my hard-earned on System 7?

The two are not comparable.

WINE (the underlying tech behind Crossover) is a Windows replacement
framework - it supplies most of the OS calls that a Windows program
makes, translating them to OSX functions. Often this breaks -
particularly when (like here) the application wants another 300meg of
MS runtime libraries that may or may not work fully under WINE...

Whereas, Parallels/Fusion/VirtualBox are a virtual PC environment that
runs *actual* Windows, little different from how you would on a
physical peecee.

In other words, the VM solution is going to work as well as it would
on a real PC.

(I still greatly recommend using an old XP - or even win2k - license
instead of Win7, though - Win7 may be a better OS, but you're only
doing this because you want to run the apps, so the simpler the OS the
better)

Cheers - Jaimie
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From: John Hill on 8 Jun 2010 13:59
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:39:00 +0100, nemo(a)erewhon.invalid (John Hill)
> wrote:
>
> >My main worry now is, if this happens in CrossOver, what are my chances
> >of it happening in a full Windows 7 emulation in Parallels, Fusion or
> >what have you AFTER I've laid out my hard-earned on System 7?
>
> The two are not comparable.
>
> WINE (the underlying tech behind Crossover) is a Windows replacement
> framework - it supplies most of the OS calls that a Windows program
> makes, translating them to OSX functions. Often this breaks -
> particularly when (like here) the application wants another 300meg of
> MS runtime libraries that may or may not work fully under WINE...
>
> Whereas, Parallels/Fusion/VirtualBox are a virtual PC environment that
> runs *actual* Windows, little different from how you would on a
> physical peecee.
>
> In other words, the VM solution is going to work as well as it would
> on a real PC.
>
> (I still greatly recommend using an old XP - or even win2k - license
> instead of Win7, though - Win7 may be a better OS, but you're only
> doing this because you want to run the apps, so the simpler the OS the
> better)
>
> Cheers - Jaimie

Thanks for that reassurance!

I agree that I might just as well get an old XP full install set if I
can - we were running Card Studio on XP perfectly well on the wicows PC.

I will have to look on eBay or somesuch for a suitable copy, and take it
from there. And probably try it with VirtualBox for starters.

John..

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From: T i m on 8 Jun 2010 14:36
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:59:26 +0100, nemo(a)erewhon.invalid (John Hill)
wrote:

>
>I agree that I might just as well get an old XP full install set if I
>can - we were running Card Studio on XP perfectly well on the wicows PC.
>
>I will have to look on eBay or somesuch for a suitable copy, and take it
>from there. And probably try it with VirtualBox for starters.
>
I'd like to add another +1 to the Virtualbox list (both on OSX and
Linux).

I've just installed the Garmin Mapsource utility to talk to my USB GPS
under XP on Virtualbox and it worked fine.

Cheers, T i m
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