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From: krw on 7 Aug 2010 18:04 On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 09:03:32 -0400, PeterD <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote: >On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:56:40 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen" ><paul(a)pstech-inc.com> wrote: <snip> >> and an additional tax burden mostly on >>the most wealthy. > >Study the facts, damn it, the wealthy pay a very small percentage of >the taxes in this (or any) country. The middle class is where >virtually all the money goes, and if you would simply study economics, >and where money is, you'd understand it. Instead, you follow the >socialist party line, with eyes closed. Not quite. The top 10% earners pay over half (55.4% - 2006 numbers) of all federal taxes. The middle 60% pays around 30% of the federal taxes. ....unless you consider the top 10% being in the "middle". ;-) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10068/effective_tax_rates_2006.pdf
From: Paul E. Schoen on 7 Aug 2010 23:05 <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message news:milr5615miqpids7f8s00q8m30q4pjbesu(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 09:03:32 -0400, PeterD <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote: > >>On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:56:40 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen" >><paul(a)pstech-inc.com> wrote: > > <snip> > >>> and an additional tax burden mostly on >>>the most wealthy. >> >>Study the facts, damn it, the wealthy pay a very small percentage of >>the taxes in this (or any) country. The middle class is where >>virtually all the money goes, and if you would simply study economics, >>and where money is, you'd understand it. Instead, you follow the >>socialist party line, with eyes closed. > > Not quite. The top 10% earners pay over half (55.4% - 2006 numbers) of > all > federal taxes. The middle 60% pays around 30% of the federal taxes. > > ...unless you consider the top 10% being in the "middle". ;-) > > http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10068/effective_tax_rates_2006.pdf Thank you. Another typical righteous wing lie exposed. Sad that they actually believe what their extremist conservative deities pronounce as gospel. Paul >
From: krw on 7 Aug 2010 23:15 On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 23:05:53 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen" <paul(a)pstech-inc.com> wrote: > ><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message >news:milr5615miqpids7f8s00q8m30q4pjbesu(a)4ax.com... >> On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 09:03:32 -0400, PeterD <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:56:40 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen" >>><paul(a)pstech-inc.com> wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >>>> and an additional tax burden mostly on >>>>the most wealthy. >>> >>>Study the facts, damn it, the wealthy pay a very small percentage of >>>the taxes in this (or any) country. The middle class is where >>>virtually all the money goes, and if you would simply study economics, >>>and where money is, you'd understand it. Instead, you follow the >>>socialist party line, with eyes closed. >> >> Not quite. The top 10% earners pay over half (55.4% - 2006 numbers) of >> all >> federal taxes. The middle 60% pays around 30% of the federal taxes. >> >> ...unless you consider the top 10% being in the "middle". ;-) >> >> http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10068/effective_tax_rates_2006.pdf > >Thank you. Another typical righteous wing lie exposed. Sad that they >actually believe what their extremist conservative deities pronounce as >gospel. Which "lie" is that? The one that states that the "rich" already are slaves of the state, who pay for everything? That one, loser?
From: foo on 7 Aug 2010 23:51 On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:15:34 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>> >>> http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10068/effective_tax_rates_2006.pdf >> >>Thank you. Another typical righteous wing lie exposed. Sad that they >>actually believe what their extremist conservative deities pronounce as >>gospel. > >Which "lie" is that? The one that states that the "rich" already are slaves >of the state, who pay for everything? That one, loser? > From the same document, table 1: Top 10% have 41.6% of all pretax income and they pay 55.4% of all federal taxes. Top 1% have 18.8% of all pretax income and pay 28.3% of all federal taxes.
From: Sylvia Else on 8 Aug 2010 00:00
On 6/08/2010 4:03 AM, VWWall wrote: > A while back, in another Usenet ng, someone asked about using an > ordinary 120V incandescent lamp to slow down a fan motor. A number of > posters replied that they had successfully done this. The usual > discussion of the merits of doing this ensued. > > Then, one frequent poster replied that he had tried this with a small AC > motor, and the 120V bulb, in series with the motor, burned out when the > circuit was completed. > > There was much discussion, with many saying that it was impossible for > any two terminal passive device in series with a 120V incandescent bulb > on a 120V circuit to cause that bulb to burn out. > > Some even set up Spice simulations which were difficult because of the > large variation in the bulb's resistance from cold to fully "on". The OP > was asked to repeat the experiment, which he did several times, with the > same results of the bulb burning out. > > The final conclusion, perhaps not shared by all, was that it was > possible for a passive device to act in this way. One poster even showed > Spice results with an increase in line current due to motor inductance. > It was never proved that this increase was enough to cause the bulb to > fail. > > I haven't tried the experiment myself, since I don't have a suitable > small motor available, and with 120V incandescent bulbs on the > endangered species list, I don't care to sacrifice even one! Some time > ago, I did use a series 120V 100W bulb to slow down the compressor fan > motor in my refrigerator, when the proper replacement was not available. > > I have my own theory and can postulate a two terminal passive device > capable of behaving in this way. (It doesn't even need pre-"charged" > condensers.) > > What say ye all? > When the circuit's turned on the bulb filament has a lowish resistance, so a large current can build up in the inductance of the motor. Then the filament heats up, its resistance increases, and the inductor pushes the voltage up to keep the initial current flowing, with the result that the bulb filament has to handle an overcurrent for a period. Whether this will destroy the bulb would depend critically on the characterstics of the filament and the size of the inductor. So I'd have thought that the answer was that it's possible, but actual mileage will vary. Sylvia. |