Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
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From: shakey on 25 Oct 2009 19:32 Shenan Stanley said "In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal or third party methods. The BIG danger "as I learned" is that the unexpected happens. I religiously made Ghost 9 backups but had no way to FULLY test if they would work to fully restore a clean system. When I needed them the computer a Dell 8400 series would not find the backups on the external drive until I first installed a program to let the Dell see the external drives. About six days of effort to do the restore. Since you have to install backups to test I can see no foolproof method to proof your backup system. SG "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:OH8n8UOVKHA.844(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: >> I know that a system restore point is far from an everything; >> nevertheless, they do seem a useful concept. However, like the ERU/ERD >> ones in Windows 95 (works fine in 98/Me too), I'd like to be able to keep >> the odd one; at present SRPs seem to be like the replacement to ERU/ERD >> that came with '98, i. e. they go into a FIFO buffer: since the system >> makes SRPs quite frequently, the oldest isn't that old. I've just >> installed CCleaner, which has a useful "manage your CRPs" tool (actually >> all it lets you do is remove them, but it's useful as a way of seeing >> what you've got), and I see my oldest is only just over a month old, and >> there are only ones made by my system and a utility there, none that I've >> made myself. >> >> Can it be done (marking one as "keep")? If not, can they be moved to a >> safe place, and moved back when needed? (What form do they take? >> Presumably not registry entries! Though how they're indexed I rather fear >> _is_ in the registry.) > > No. That would be a backup. System Restores are not the same, nor can > they be treated in the same way - as a backup. > > You could use ERUNT to backup your XP registry if you want. You could > make just 'System State' backups if you want. > > ERD (Emergency Repair Disk) is nothing like System Restore. The Windows > XP CD itself contains most everything you would need to boot and repair an > installation of Windows XP. In conjunction with the Recovery Console, you > have a whole slew of tools at your disposal in this way. > > You could utilize something like a BartPE or Ultimate Windows Boot CD to > get in and have a more familar interface from a CD/DVD. > > In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get > yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five > times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it > to backup your system or use some third party application to make images > of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal > or third party methods. > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >
From: Shenan Stanley on 25 Oct 2009 20:01 shakey wrote: > Shenan Stanley said > "In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get > yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice > to five times the total amount of space you have and either use > some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party > application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just > make system backups using internal or third party methods. > The BIG danger "as I learned" is that the unexpected happens. I > religiously made Ghost 9 backups but had no way to FULLY test if > they would work to fully restore a clean system. When I needed > them the computer a Dell 8400 series would not find the backups on > the external drive until I first installed a program to let the > Dell see the external drives. About six days of effort to do the > restore. Since you have to install backups to test I can see no foolproof > method to proof your backup system. Actually - in your case, it may be less a matter of 'no way to test' and more of not knowing how to test your backup and/or how to recover in case you need to. You said you were making Ghost (Symantec/Norton) images (Disk or partition?) - which means you could have used something like Ghost Explorer to open and navigate the directory structure manually to see what was actually there - even copy files from inside the image to your local drives to see if the backup was working. Also - most modern virtual machine software will allow you to apply a ghost image or even convert a ghost image to a VM. You most likely would have to perform a repair installation on the VM in order to get it to recognize the 'hardware' changes - but it is a proof-of-concept. Also - most Symantec/Norton software allows you to make a boot disk to restore from 'bare metal' if you need to. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
From: Tim Meddick on 25 Oct 2009 20:11 If you are absolutely intent on saving one or more System Restore Points it is possible, but it's a bit of a hassle. To save one or more restore points, displayed at any one time, in the System Restore's user interface's calendar: Firstly, you have to change the security permissions of the "System Volume Information" folder to include your username and give it "full" rights. If not, you can't even see the inside of this folder. Then, copy the entire folder to another location on your hard-drive and remove your username from the permissions again.. If you then want to restore the restore points that were seen when the folder was copied, edit the "System Volume Information" folder's permissions again to include your username as owner of full rights. Then copy the "System Volume Information" folder that you saved to another location, back again to the root of your system drive - overwriting the current "System Volume Information" folder completely. In fact, your better off deleting the current folder before you copy the saved folder back again. The same dates will now be visible in the System Restore's calendar as when you first saved the folder. You cannot save individual restore points because of the way that the program saves the information about restore points in files within the "System Volume Information" folder. You are probably better off, though, downloading the [free] program ERUNT - which teaches you all about what files constitute the Window's registry, how to back-up the registry and how to restore the registry in a number of ways, including restoring the registry when you cannot start Windows! I highly recommend you get this utility... Download the program ERUNT from the link below... http://www.aumha.org/downloads/erunt-setup.exe ....or go to the ERUNT homepage... http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG(a)soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:h5b54alGWt4KFwFT(a)soft255.demon.co.uk... >I know that a system restore point is far from an everything; nevertheless, they do >seem a useful concept. However, like the ERU/ERD ones in Windows 95 (works fine in >98/Me too), I'd like to be able to keep the odd one; at present SRPs seem to be like >the replacement to ERU/ERD that came with '98, i. e. they go into a FIFO buffer: >since the system makes SRPs quite frequently, the oldest isn't that old. I've just >installed CCleaner, which has a useful "manage your CRPs" tool (actually all it lets >you do is remove them, but it's useful as a way of seeing what you've got), and I >see my oldest is only just over a month old, and there are only ones made by my >system and a utility there, none that I've made myself. > > Can it be done (marking one as "keep")? If not, can they be moved to a safe place, > and moved back when needed? (What form do they take? Presumably not registry > entries! Though how they're indexed I rather fear _is_ in the registry.) > -- > J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar(a)T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf > ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously > outdated thoughts on PCs. ** > > "Most of us, when all is said and done, like what we like and make up reasons > for it afterwards." - Soren F. Petersen
From: shakey on 26 Oct 2009 13:31 "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:ujM5P%23cVKHA.1092(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > shakey wrote: >> Shenan Stanley said >> "In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get >> yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice >> to five times the total amount of space you have and either use >> some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party >> application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just >> make system backups using internal or third party methods. >> The BIG danger "as I learned" is that the unexpected happens. I >> religiously made Ghost 9 backups but had no way to FULLY test if >> they would work to fully restore a clean system. When I needed >> them the computer a Dell 8400 series would not find the backups on >> the external drive until I first installed a program to let the >> Dell see the external drives. About six days of effort to do the >> restore. Since you have to install backups to test I can see no foolproof >> method to proof your backup system. > > Actually - in your case, it may be less a matter of 'no way to test' and > more of not knowing how to test your backup and/or how to recover in case > you need to. I understand your believing this but you are wrong. > > You said you were making Ghost (Symantec/Norton) images (Disk or > partition?) - which means you could have used something like Ghost > Explorer to open and navigate the directory structure manually to see what > was actually there - even copy files from inside the image to your local > drives to see if the backup was working. This was done and yes it worked , even restored files before. BUT only with windows installed. NOT after HD was clean, "no access to external drive." > > Also - most modern virtual machine software will allow you to apply a > ghost image or even convert a ghost image to a VM. You most likely would > have to perform a repair installation on the VM in order to get it to > recognize the 'hardware' changes - but it is a proof-of-concept. In hindsite yes but no idea that it would fail in normal mode. > > Also - most Symantec/Norton software allows you to make a boot disk to > restore from 'bare metal' if you need to. The manual supplied states that the backup image can restore the system. Strange that my hours long conservations with Symantec did not produce these replies and no solution I reinstalled XP from origional disk and then restored files, not programs, from Ghost. OLD history now so lets agree to disagree and end our part of thread. SG > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >
From: Shenan Stanley on 26 Oct 2009 16:07 shakey wrote: > I understand your believing this but you are wrong. > > This was done and yes it worked , even restored files before. BUT > only with windows installed. NOT after HD was clean, "no access to > external drive." > The manual supplied states that the backup image can restore the > system. > Strange that my hours long conservations with Symantec did not > produce these replies and no solution I reinstalled XP from > origional disk and then restored files, not programs, from Ghost. > > OLD history now so lets agree to disagree and end our part of thread. If you had a good boot CD/disk (one that can access the external drive/network) then you would not have had the issue. BartPE, UBCD, etc come to mind. You could then access the external media, the network, etc and restore an image you copied externally. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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