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From: Graham J on 3 Mar 2010 04:47

"T i m" <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
news:2auqo5pa3all8fu1n7tdn61bb82vnnpkte(a)4ax.com...
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:37:27 +0000, Conor <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 01/03/2010 08:59, T i m wrote:
>>> On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:16:52 +0000, Conor<conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Googling gets me nowhere. Tried everything that's shown for 10.5.x and
>>>> later which seems to be where it all started going wrong.
>>>>
>>> Yup, I bought a network printer (Canon ip5200r) because I also had no
>>> luck with printing to this XP shared ip4000 from an OSX Mini.
>>>
>>> I could print to it from any Windows box or Linux though.
>>>
>>> FWIW, have you installed Bonjour on yer W7 machine?
>>>
>>> Cheers, T i m
>>>
>>>
>>I finally won.
>
> Wahoo! ;-)
>>
>>For Win7.
>>Create account with same login details as for Mac
>>Control Panel, Programs and Features, Turn Windows Features on and off.
>>Go to the Print and select everything. If you look below you'd think you
>>only need to select LPD but it doesn't work if you do just that.
>>Share the printer. Note down the IP address of the computer and the
>>share name.
>
> I hate all that. The need to synchronise accounts or forcing them to
> have passwords to connect etc. I'm currently playing with a Windows
> Home Server and after installing connector it says summat along the
> lines of 'there isn't an account on the server that matches the name
> of the user on your machine ..', however, it still let's you connect
> with a different one (as it should). ;-)
>>
>>On Snow Leopard
>>Add Printer. Select IP. Select LPD for the protocol. Enter the IP
>>address of the Win7 box in the Address box and the share name in Queue.
>>Give it a name and location if you want and in Print Using, select the
>>driver.
>
> I only got as far as 10.5 as I sorta lost the urge to go any further.
> My version of W7 is also about to expire (and I doubt I'll be buying a
> copy) and the only machine that has Vista tends to be used more in
> Ubuntu than anything else. I rate Vista nearly as high as OSX on the
> frustration stakes!


The whole concept of sharing a printer from another computer is misguided.
The best way to have a printer available to several computers is to use a
network printer - that is, one connected directly to the LAN. Make sure it
has a consistent IP address (either by setting a static address, or
controlling the address leased by the DHCP server); then install the
necessary driver on each computer.

Which reminds me - why do we have to have a different driver for each
printer? Surely it's not beyond the wit of printer manufacturers to
recognise that ALL printers should use the same language?

--
Graham J


From: Peter Ceresole on 3 Mar 2010 05:15
"Graham J" <graham(a)invalid> wrote:

> The whole concept of sharing a printer from another computer is misguided.
> The best way to have a printer available to several computers is to use a
> network printer

Of course you're right. But for instance I have a very small network,
composed simply of an iG5 and a MBP, linked via a Netgear DG834N. It
works well. I also have a HP 1020, which is USB, not network, and is
cheap and quick; I've had one of these for several years and it suits me
down to the ground. I have it connected to the MBP, from which we do
most of the printing anyway, and share it via the network. The only
hassle is that the MBP has to be on when I want to print from the iG5.
Otherwise no problems at all.

In this case, with just two machines (which is what I believe the OP has
as well) sharing seems to me to be by far the simplest solution.

But I repeat, ideally you are right.

> Which reminds me - why do we have to have a different driver for each
> printer? Surely it's not beyond the wit of printer manufacturers to
> recognise that ALL printers should use the same language?

I guess, like other manufacturers they like to go their own way. So long
as they make their drivers freely available I don't see too much
trouble, provided they do a decent job of cross-platform development.
Which I know that some don't, and that certain features in certain
printers aren't available except in Windows, for example. But think of
trying to agree a universal feature set for all printers, and the
screaming hassles you'd get *then*. And there are far more tricky
incompatibilities out there; after all the OP's problem was with
incompatible OSs.
--
Peter
From: chris on 3 Mar 2010 06:08
On 03/03/10 09:47, Graham J wrote:
> "T i m"<news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:2auqo5pa3all8fu1n7tdn61bb82vnnpkte(a)4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:37:27 +0000, Conor<conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I finally won.
>>
>> Wahoo! ;-)
>>>
>>> For Win7.
>>> Create account with same login details as for Mac
>>> Control Panel, Programs and Features, Turn Windows Features on and off.
>>> Go to the Print and select everything. If you look below you'd think you
>>> only need to select LPD but it doesn't work if you do just that.
>>> Share the printer. Note down the IP address of the computer and the
>>> share name.
>>
>> I hate all that. The need to synchronise accounts or forcing them to
>> have passwords to connect etc. I'm currently playing with a Windows
>> Home Server and after installing connector it says summat along the
>> lines of 'there isn't an account on the server that matches the name
>> of the user on your machine ..', however, it still let's you connect
>> with a different one (as it should). ;-)
>>>
>>> On Snow Leopard
>>> Add Printer. Select IP. Select LPD for the protocol. Enter the IP
>>> address of the Win7 box in the Address box and the share name in Queue.
>>> Give it a name and location if you want and in Print Using, select the
>>> driver.
>>
>> I only got as far as 10.5 as I sorta lost the urge to go any further.
>> My version of W7 is also about to expire (and I doubt I'll be buying a
>> copy) and the only machine that has Vista tends to be used more in
>> Ubuntu than anything else. I rate Vista nearly as high as OSX on the
>> frustration stakes!
>
>
> The whole concept of sharing a printer from another computer is misguided.
> The best way to have a printer available to several computers is to use a
> network printer - that is, one connected directly to the LAN. Make sure it
> has a consistent IP address (either by setting a static address, or
> controlling the address leased by the DHCP server); then install the
> necessary driver on each computer.

Agreed. I couldn't face the hassle of sharing a local printer, plus the
computer that is next to printer is not on as much as the laptop. I
ended up buying a network multifunction device.

I only have a Linux PC and an MBP at home, but sharing the printer via
the router has been a godsend. :)
From: T i m on 3 Mar 2010 06:25
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:47:03 -0000, "Graham J" <graham(a)invalid> wrote:


>The whole concept of sharing a printer from another computer is misguided.

Oh?

>The best way to have a printer available to several computers is to use a
>network printer - that is, one connected directly to the LAN.

As with Peter, agreed. However, as with Peter our 'best' printer
(fast, cheap, quiet, reliable) is a Canon ip4000 that happens to be
USB only. Apart from the issue of the host machine having to be on.,
printing from all forms of Windows machine has never been an issue.
[1]

>Make sure it
>has a consistent IP address (either by setting a static address, or
>controlling the address leased by the DHCP server); then install the
>necessary driver on each computer.

We have a network printer (ip5200r) and it was bought specifically to
overcome the issues printing from OSX. It isn't as cheap to run or as
easy to connect to (not so point n print) as this XP shared ip4000 so
rarely gets used (to it's detriment).
>
>Which reminds me - why do we have to have a different driver for each
>printer? Surely it's not beyond the wit of printer manufacturers to
>recognise that ALL printers should use the same language?

Good point.

Cheers, T i m

[1] I've just installed the ip4000 on the WHS so we can now print with
without my PC having to be on.
From: chris on 3 Mar 2010 06:53
On 03/03/10 11:25, T i m wrote:
> We have a network printer (ip5200r) and it was bought specifically to
> overcome the issues printing from OSX. It isn't as cheap to run or as
> easy to connect to (not so point n print) as this XP shared ip4000 so
> rarely gets used (to it's detriment).

That's a surprise. My HP C5180 has only needed fiddling twice on the MBP
in the 3+ years I've had it. Once when I first got it and then when I
upgraded the MBP to Leopard.

I take my laptop to and from work, but it always remembers which is my
'local' printer regardless of which network I'm on. It doesn't get any
easier than that.

> [1] I've just installed the ip4000 on the WHS so we can now print with
> without my PC having to be on.

How's that possible? Presumably by 'on' you mean standby or similar.
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