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From: Sam Wormley on 22 Apr 2010 02:14 On 4/22/10 1:04 AM, Brad Guth wrote: > > So what makes a photon go? Why do you think something has to "make" it go? It only exists propagating at c. > > What makes gravity go? What make you think that something has to "make" it go? gravitation is the curvature of spacetime. Einstein's model of gravitation and the predictions his theory make have never been contradicted by an observation. > > How fast is gravity? I suspect you are referring to gravity waves--Yes? See the Physics FAQ: Does gravity travel at the speed of light? http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/grav_speed.html > > Tell us why a quantified finite supply of photons go in only one > direction, whereas immortal gravity seems to continuously go in all > directions at the same time. You are becoming ILLUCID... Ask a question that makes some sense. > > Once more: Should any parts or items of whatever�s in our universe be > collapsing towards us at �c, could we detect it? Everywhere we look the universe is expanding. No Center http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
From: G. L. Bradford on 22 Apr 2010 04:19 "Sam Wormley" <swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:MJidnTKmdK_cdFLWnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d(a)mchsi.com... > On 4/22/10 1:04 AM, Brad Guth wrote: > >> >> So what makes a photon go? > > Why do you think something has to "make" it go? It only > exists propagating at c. > >> >> What makes gravity go? > > What make you think that something has to "make" it go? > gravitation is the curvature of spacetime. Einstein's > model of gravitation and the predictions his theory make > have never been contradicted by an observation. > > >> >> How fast is gravity? > > I suspect you are referring to gravity waves--Yes? See the > Physics FAQ: Does gravity travel at the speed of light? > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/grav_speed.html > > >> >> Tell us why a quantified finite supply of photons go in only one >> direction, whereas immortal gravity seems to continuously go in all >> directions at the same time. > > You are becoming ILLUCID... Ask a question that makes some sense. > >> >> Once more: Should any parts or items of whatever�s in our universe be >> collapsing towards us at �c, could we detect it? > > Everywhere we look the universe is expanding. > > No Center > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html > > Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html > > WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory > http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html > > WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology > http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html > > ====================== "Everywhere we look the universe is expanding." Which universe, Sam? Just arbitrarily speaking, there are a minimum of 13.75 billion universes showing. A minimum of 13.75 billion very thin time-slice universes observed for [our] observable universe. In total view, the observed universe is a total fiction that [as observed whole] does not exist in space, never existed in space at any time, never existing [in] any time at all. The onion skin time-slice of universe that is observed to be the largest of them all is the slice farthest out from Earth along every single spoke out, with Earth HERE-NOW (0) occupying the tiniest space-time universe [observed] of all. Now tell me, Sam, is there any spatial universe out there existing in the same moment of time as Earth here-now? You keep telling us you astronomers can see what the rest of us can never see, a universe simultaneous with Earth. An expanding one at that when the fact is space-time contracts in upon HERE-NOW beginning from the largest observed horizon-universe of space-time most distant from any HERE-NOW and progressing through progressively smaller slices (progressively smaller layers) until contraction reaches the smallest slice of all, the Earth (0) or any other unobserved HERE-NOW (0) simultaneous with it (0=0) 13.75 billion space-time-slice universes (-) [in] from the biggest horizon-slice of them all outermost (-(-)-). It expands from the smallest slice observed (the most interior horizon (0)) to the biggest slice observed (the most distant exterior horizon (-(-)-)). Horizons will always expand away in every direction from HERE-NOW (both macroverse and microverse horizons) toward an impossible to observe infinity (thus toward a not-so-impossible-to-observe closed up and collapsed horizon-constant of it. Infinity going away into how many points of distant horizon? Into how many holes? How [distantly] densely packing?). GLB =====================
From: G. L. Bradford on 23 Apr 2010 13:05 "Peter Webb" <webbfamily(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:4bd17fc8$0$1783$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... > > "G. L. Bradford" <glbrad01(a)insightbb.com> wrote in message > news:mbmdnT_wTsTV-0zWnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d(a)insightbb.com... >> >> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:l9qdnbLCqtlQ703WnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d(a)mchsi.com... >>> On 4/22/10 3:19 AM, G. L. Bradford wrote: >>>> "Everywhere we look the universe is expanding." >>>> >>>> Which universe, Sam? Just arbitrarily speaking, there are a minimum >>>> of >>>> 13.75 billion universes showing. A minimum of 13.75 billion very thin >>>> time-slice universes observed for [our] observable universe. In total >>>> view, the observed universe is a total fiction that [as observed whole] >>>> does not exist in space, never existed in space at any time, never >>>> existing [in] any time at all. >>> >>> Are you able to carry on reasonable conversations of a technical or >>> scientific nature face-to-face with other humans? >>> >>> Look up "universe" in a dictionary. Probably a better scientific >>> definition for universe is everything to which we are causally >>> connected. Our observable universe extends back in time to about >>> 13.7 billion years. >>> >>> This should keep you busy for a while: >>> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html >> >> ===================== >> >> And you will never understand that that is a constant base.....a base >> (horizon) constant. It never was anything different (not even an eternity >> ago) and it never will be anything different (not even in an eternity >> from now). But you seem to be too stuck in the mud of just another >> version of Creationism to even conceive of a continuing base (what would >> be considered an 'endless beginning' that is at once also an 'endless >> end' -- an infinite Singularity of singularities), thus continuance in >> the horizon over base, of base, from base, to base..... A constancy of >> base and thus a constancy of every single dimension or plane of >> complexity existing. Both macro- and micro-verse horizon constant >> (exactly the same horizon constant). >> > > Wow. That's far out. > >> After all these years you've come to remind me so much of what the >> competent militaries of history and today have always called "a fourth >> class officer." Otherwise, nothing but a digit, just a place fill (a low >> grade hack) in your profession. Too bad. >> >> GLB >> > > Actually, he reminds me of what people call a "physicist". > > OTOH, you remind me of how good dope was back in the 70s. > > ========================= No, he won't. Neither he nor Park will remind you of anything like a "physicist" in another few years of the regimes they've helped put in power over the world. A good physicist, exactly like a good historian, can see the big picture and accurately predict. There's actually no difference in the physics. Gerard K. O'Neill or Stephen Hawking, or Will Durant or Edward Gibbon, among many other competents in both fields, would tell you, or would have told you, the same thing. Wormley and Park, very evidently, would not be among them. GLB =========================
From: bert on 22 Apr 2010 08:03 On Apr 22, 12:22 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 4/21/10 7:35 PM, Brad Guth wrote: > > > In other words, if something substantial (such as a 10 solar mass > > super-star and its tidal swarm of Jupiter+ planets) was headed as > > seemingly directly towards us at c (-299.8e3 km/sec), could that item > > regardless of its size, mass and vibrance be detected? > > > Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / Guth Usenet > > I though you knew that mass cannot move at c for any inertial > observer. Your question makes no sense given that c is the > cosmic speed limit. Sam Never change the speed of light. Once you do you end up in a dark tonnel with no light at its end. Brad gets a -D for this crazy thinking TreBert
From: bert on 22 Apr 2010 08:15
On Apr 22, 1:53 am, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 21, 7:43 pm, palsing <pnals...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 7:17 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 21, 6:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 21, 6:25 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 21, 6:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 5:56 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 5:41 pm, artful <artful...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 10:35 am, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In other words, if something substantial (such as a 10 solar mass > > > > > > > > > super-star and its tidal swarm of Jupiter+ planets) was headed as > > > > > > > > > seemingly directly towards us at c (-299.8e3 km/sec), could that item > > > > > > > > > regardless of its size, mass and vibrance be detected? > > > > > > > > > > Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / Guth Usenet > > > > > > > > > Nothing with mass can have a speed of c .. so your question is not > > > > > > > > valid. But if it was travelling fast enough, its light would be > > > > > > > > Doppler shifted to beyond the visible spectrum .. but then, and lower > > > > > > > > frequency EMR from it could be shifted into the visible spectrum. > > > > > > > > We're told by our peers that the outer parts of our universe is likely > > > > > > > expanding/receding at c, as sort of leaving us in its photon dust that > > > > > > > we'll never detect. > > > > > > > > Stop avoiding the truth-seeking context or intent of my topic.. > > > > > > > > LHC proves that matter can be artificially directed towards other > > > > > > > matter at a closing velocity of <2c. > > > > > > > > ~ BG > > > > > > > Increased strength of gravity blueshifts light from its fundamental by > > > > > > gravity Gamma factor. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > Are you suggesting gravity has the same velocity as photons? > > > > > > I thought gravity was worth at least 2c. > > > > > > ~ BG- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Two light waves traveling toward one another (in a gravity) would > > > > converge on a center at 2C. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > That seems likely, but even if each were making a velocity towards the > > > other at .5c for a closing velocity of c, could we as one item detect > > > the other? > > > > ~ BG > > > Do you 2 just make this stuff up as you go along? Your collective > > knowledge of physics is quite diminutive. > > So what makes a photon go? While you're at it, tell us how fast is > gravity and what makes it go? > > ~ BG- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Photons are emmited out of the spinning cloud of the electron at the speed of 186,242 mps There speed is set. There are photons from the BB that are still here at this spacetime. Think micro-wave readiation. I have thought about photons all my life. I have stopped and took the fastest pictures in the world. I have built a machanical white light laser. Yes I am very clever. Give me 7 billion bucks and I will build you a pulse fusion machine TreBert. |