Can we detect a negative redshift of –c? / Brad Guth
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From: BURT on 27 Apr 2010 23:14 On Apr 27, 8:09 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 27, 7:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:51 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 27, 7:29 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Light headed inward of the event horizon would undergo an infinite > > > > energy shift as revealed by Pound Rebka light blue shift. But there > > > > can be no infinite energy light. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Then use -99.9999% c as the negative redshift. > > > > ~ BG > > > So energy will go to zero in your theory? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > The full negative redshift or -c blueshift should be extreme gamma, > whereas the positive redshift would be near zero energy. > > ~ BG- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Why are you acting like you know? If red shift goes infinite at the event horizon then anything emitted there would have zero energy and anything comming in would have infinite. Mitch Raemsch
From: Brad Guth on 28 Apr 2010 00:50 On Apr 27, 8:14 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 27, 8:09 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 27, 7:51 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:29 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > Light headed inward of the event horizon would undergo an infinite > > > > > energy shift as revealed by Pound Rebka light blue shift. But there > > > > > can be no infinite energy light. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > Then use -99.9999% c as the negative redshift. > > > > > ~ BG > > > > So energy will go to zero in your theory? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > The full negative redshift or -c blueshift should be extreme gamma, > > whereas the positive redshift would be near zero energy. > > > ~ BG- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Why are you acting like you know? > > If red shift goes infinite at the event horizon then anything emitted > there would have zero energy and anything comming in would have > infinite. > > Mitch Raemsch Correct, perhaps as infinite as Planck wavelengths and of >1e6 K for representing the incoming stuff, and otherwise near zero Hz and near zero K for the outgoing phase. In other words, the faster you go the hotter you get. So, what's heating up our solar system? ~ BG
From: Brad Guth on 28 Apr 2010 12:59 How about we dont see or otherwise detect the energy realm of photons until they interact with something, and we only measure the speed of light and of most everything else via timing, and therefore its never objective. Riding a planet or moon thats moving along at c or c makes no difference, as long as youre not running into other stuff that technically doesnt exist to the observer because of the +/- c thing. It seems the same kinds of physics should apply to that of any fast incoming item plus whatevers associated thats running towards or away from us at 99.9999% c, whereas we cant directly see it any better than it can directly see us. In other words, perhaps photons are extremely slow, as opposed to the weak force of gravity being extremely fast. It seems any number of photons and thus infinite energy density can safely coexist with antimatter (such as black holes of positrons), while those same photons and ordinary electron populated matter can not safely coexist. Perhaps when a positron saturated black hole implodes, it converts its terrific density of positrons into electrons and photons that become ordinary reactive matter. Perhaps everything at or above 99.9999% c becomes essentially a black hole that only accepts photons, and w/o electrons simply cant emit photons. ~ BG
From: BURT on 28 Apr 2010 14:02 On Apr 27, 9:50 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 27, 8:14 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 8:09 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 27, 7:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:51 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:29 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Light headed inward of the event horizon would undergo an infinite > > > > > > energy shift as revealed by Pound Rebka light blue shift. But there > > > > > > can be no infinite energy light. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > Then use -99.9999% c as the negative redshift. > > > > > > ~ BG > > > > > So energy will go to zero in your theory? > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > The full negative redshift or -c blueshift should be extreme gamma, > > > whereas the positive redshift would be near zero energy. > > > > ~ BG- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Why are you acting like you know? > > > If red shift goes infinite at the event horizon then anything emitted > > there would have zero energy and anything comming in would have > > infinite. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Correct, perhaps as infinite as Planck wavelengths and of >1e6 K for > representing the incoming stuff, and otherwise near zero Hz and near > zero K for the outgoing phase. > Hawking has pointed out that these are nonsense predictions. He pointed it out at the heart of a black hole. Mitch Raemsch
From: Brad Guth on 28 Apr 2010 14:46
On Apr 28, 11:02 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 27, 9:50 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Apr 27, 8:14 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 27, 8:09 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:51 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:29 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Light headed inward of the event horizon would undergo an infinite > > > > > > > energy shift as revealed by Pound Rebka light blue shift. But there > > > > > > > can be no infinite energy light. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > Then use -99.9999% c as the negative redshift. > > > > > > > ~ BG > > > > > > So energy will go to zero in your theory? > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > The full negative redshift or -c blueshift should be extreme gamma, > > > > whereas the positive redshift would be near zero energy. > > > > > ~ BG- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Why are you acting like you know? > > > > If red shift goes infinite at the event horizon then anything emitted > > > there would have zero energy and anything comming in would have > > > infinite. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Correct, perhaps as infinite as Planck wavelengths and of >1e6 K for > > representing the incoming stuff, and otherwise near zero Hz and near > > zero K for the outgoing phase. > > Hawking has pointed out that these are nonsense predictions. He > pointed it out at the heart of a black hole. > > Mitch Raemsch A black hole is about all of what Hawking is. Sadly, of what little mind there is can't hardly think or much less communicate on its own. Hawking has a team of thinkers and communicators that use his near functionless body as a nifty PR ruse in order to get mostly their stuff into mainstream media. ~ BG |