From: DevilsPGD on
In message <gfr3h0$kl4$1(a)aioe.org> FBonVistaX64 <fab(a)npam.cmm> was
claimed to have wrote:

>None of the above.
>It's pure, unadulterated *BULLSHIT* that compatible after market ink
>will ruin any print head.

If it's compatible, sure. The problem is that some aftermarket ink has
been sold as compatible when it did in fact cause clogged print heads.
From: FBonServer2008X64 on
DevilsPGD wrote:
> In message <gfr3h0$kl4$1(a)aioe.org> FBonVistaX64 <fab(a)npam.cmm> was
> claimed to have wrote:
>
>> None of the above.
>> It's pure, unadulterated *BULLSHIT* that compatible after market ink
>> will ruin any print head.
>
> If it's compatible, sure. The problem is that some aftermarket ink has
> been sold as compatible when it did in fact cause clogged print heads.

I'm on my 12th yr of using compatible ink with no problems.
Oh, I'm sure you're aware of the fact that any ink, including the much
over priced oem ink, can and does cause clogged print heads, right?
From: Mickey on
BobN wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:24:33 -0800 (PST), georgeh(a)ankerstein.org wrote:
>
>> On Nov 15, 3:02 pm, FBonVistaX64 <f...(a)npam.cmm> wrote:
>>> measekite wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:39:02 -0800, Amy Moore wrote:
>>>>> We are using the Canon i860 desktop color printer.
>>>>> This printer comes with 5 color ink cartridges.
>>>>> Last few months, after we installed new Canon 3e - the large black ink
>>>>> cartridge, ink will be empty within few hours, even without printing
>>>>> anything. So far, we went through 6 new ink cartridges. We also clean and
>>>>> replaced the print head assembly (we purchased 2 new printer heads) with the
>>>>> same result. Any one out there has the same experiences and how to fix this
>>>>> problem?
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>> Are you and have you always used Canon ink?
>>> Why? What does that have to do with anything?
>> What can I say? I have found that non-Canon ink will ruin my
>> inkjet printer. I have used several Canon inkjet printers over
>> the years -- 600, 620, now i850. Non-Canon ink caused blocked
>> print heads; they could not be unblocked. The i850 has never
>> experienced non-Canon ink.
>>
>> Genuine Canon ink cartridges can be found on eBay at very low
>> prices. Why? I do not know, but I suspect stockroom losses at
>> various businesses. That is none of my business.
>>
>> I print a lot of pages with photos embedded in the text. Probably
>> 10K a year, so cost per page is an important consideration.
>>
>> GFH
>
> I, on the other hand, have never used Canon inks, and I have neer had so
> much as a single problem.
Same here, the only OEM my i860 has seen is the original cart. Use qlty
after market inks with no problems.

Mickey
From: IntergalacticExpandingPanda on
On Nov 15, 7:39 am, " Amy Moore" <no.s...(a)microsoft.com> wrote:
> We are using the Canon i860 desktop color printer.
> This printer comes with 5 color ink cartridges.
> Last few months, after we installed new Canon 3e - the large black ink
> cartridge, ink will be empty within few hours, even without printing
> anything. So far, we went through 6 new ink cartridges. We also clean and
> replaced the print head assembly (we purchased 2 new printer heads) with the
> same result. Any one out there has the same experiences and how to fix this
> problem?

I'd like to help, but if you replaced the head, and if you are using
Canon OEM ink, and ink is being dumped at a rate of about 20 ml ever
few hours?

I'd do as Arthur suggests, check to make sure the ink is actually
"gone". There are some aftermarket cartridges that leak, but to leak
this quickly odds are you'd see it before you pop it in the printer.
A printhead gasket would possibly explain this as well, though a few
hours is pretty quick.

If you've verified the ink is actually gone I can only think of a few
causes to the problem

1) Leaky cartridges
2) Printhead gasket
3) Bad logic board (as in the printer is stuck on a cleaning cycle)

(1) would be amazing but not impossible.
(2) is at least possible
(3) At this rate of speed, I lean toward this as the explanation.
Firing at full steam it's very possible to drain a bci-3e in 1/2
hour.


The i860 is a printer worth keeping in service, but if you've actually
lost 100ml of ink into the printer, unless you feel comfortable
replacing the waste pad, it's time to consider a new one.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/TN627LL/A?cid=AOS%2DUS%2DSHOP%2DFroogle

This is the best price for the ip4500. It'll cost more to operate
than the i860, but not as much as the new ip4600.


From: DevilsPGD on
In message <gfs6d8$4qm$1(a)aioe.org> FBonServer2008X64 <fb(a)nospam.com> was
claimed to have wrote:

>DevilsPGD wrote:
>> In message <gfr3h0$kl4$1(a)aioe.org> FBonVistaX64 <fab(a)npam.cmm> was
>> claimed to have wrote:
>>
>>> None of the above.
>>> It's pure, unadulterated *BULLSHIT* that compatible after market ink
>>> will ruin any print head.
>>
>> If it's compatible, sure. The problem is that some aftermarket ink has
>> been sold as compatible when it did in fact cause clogged print heads.
>
>I'm on my 12th yr of using compatible ink with no problems.

Good for you. Not all ink listed as compatible is actually compatible.
One of my friends worked at a mall kiosk selling ink refill kits and
"recharging" ink cartridges, and his boss' instructions were to feel
free to swap labels on the bulk bottle refill kits whenever needed
(Within the same colour, of course) rather then turning away a customer.

It didn't matter what make or model of printer you wanted, you needed
yellow, you got "generic yellow" (although I believe he said they kept
photo ink separate from regular ink)

Interestingly they used OEM ink on the printers in the kiosk not their
refill kits, that's rather telling too.

All that being said I'm not saying that the generic ink is always bad,
it obviously works much of the time otherwise there wouldn't be repeat
buyers, but at the same time you don't really know what you're getting.

>Oh, I'm sure you're aware of the fact that any ink, including the much
>over priced oem ink, can and does cause clogged print heads, right?

Sure. If this happens under the warranty period it also gets fixed by
the manufacturer.