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From: Howard Brazee on 21 Jan 2010 13:22 On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:38:03 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: >Once again, I do not change minds... were I able to do so there might be >fewer folks who gaze with longing on the Oldene Dayse when a man, his >children and his children's children were subject, by law, to chattel >slavery, when children were permitted to be chained to factory machinery >for 12-hour workdays and when education was available primarily to those >whose parents were able to afford them the leisure - L. 'scholium' - for >schooling. Whereas today, we are educated enough to be spending time on-line here with the "trivial" liberal arts. While most people realize that romancing medieval times is a fiction, it's harder to put that handle on the romantic picture of the times of our youth. Very few people are conservative towards their grandparents' youths - those values were obsolete. It's the values of their own youths that set their agendae. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Anonymous on 21 Jan 2010 13:38 In article <ji6hl5t9so5602kls8gjhs91im838e2dp9(a)4ax.com>, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:38:03 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: > >>Once again, I do not change minds... were I able to do so there might be >>fewer folks who gaze with longing on the Oldene Dayse when a man, his >>children and his children's children were subject, by law, to chattel >>slavery, when children were permitted to be chained to factory machinery >>for 12-hour workdays and when education was available primarily to those >>whose parents were able to afford them the leisure - L. 'scholium' - for >>schooling. > >Whereas today, we are educated enough to be spending time on-line here >with the "trivial" liberal arts. Let's not forget geometry, arithmetic, astronomy and music! > >While most people realize that romancing medieval times is a fiction, >it's harder to put that handle on the romantic picture of the times of >our youth. I've not met 'most people', Mr Brazee, but I believe that various Renaissance Faires and the eatery-chain of Medieval Times Dinner and Tournament might be used to demonstrate otherwise. DD
From: Howard Brazee on 21 Jan 2010 14:13 On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:38:41 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: >>Whereas today, we are educated enough to be spending time on-line here >>with the "trivial" liberal arts. > >Let's not forget geometry, arithmetic, astronomy and music! Not as much on this forum as the first 3. >>While most people realize that romancing medieval times is a fiction, >>it's harder to put that handle on the romantic picture of the times of >>our youth. > >I've not met 'most people', Mr Brazee, but I believe that various >Renaissance Faires and the eatery-chain of Medieval Times Dinner and >Tournament might be used to demonstrate otherwise. I was thinking of them when I made my post, so I infer we are seeing them with different colored glasses. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Pete Dashwood on 21 Jan 2010 16:49 Howard Brazee wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:47:21 +1300, "Pete Dashwood" > <dashwood(a)removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote: > >> That's why I believe Democracy, while not being a perfect form of >> Government, is the only one that guarantees freedom. > > There are no such guarantees in life. There are if you support the democratic principles. We are having this conversation. I rest my case. Pete. -- "I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."
From: Pete Dashwood on 21 Jan 2010 16:55
SkippyPB wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:15:07 -0700, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> > wrote: > >> On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:47:21 +1300, "Pete Dashwood" >> <dashwood(a)removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote: >> >>> That's why I believe Democracy, while not being a perfect form of >>> Government, is the only one that guarantees freedom. >> >> There are no such guarantees in life. > > Actually there are two guarantees in life. First, it is guaranteed > you will die. Second, it is guaranteed you will pay taxes. All else > is optional. > > Regards, With all due respect for the homespun wisdom of Mr. Franklin, there are a number of guarantees in life and not all of them are about death and taxes. Death is certainly ineviatable, but taxes are not. Some people live their entire lives and never pay tax. Some of the guarantees require work to underwrite them (like ensuring the persistence of a democratic society) but if you put in that work, you can guarantee that you will have certain rights, (like the right to free speech in forums like this, the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and so on...) Pete. -- "I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything." |