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From: Mullet on 7 Sep 2006 12:38
How would you handle the VO libraries? If you did convert these libraries to
C# using reflection wouldn't you be in violation of the source code
copyright?

"Ginny Caughey" <ginny.caughey.online(a)wasteworks.com> wrote in message
news:4maedcF56dl1U1(a)individual.net...
> Rene,
>
> Pretty much any .NET app can be converted to C# using something like
> Reflector. I have shown this at conferences where I take a Vulcan app and
> convert it to C#.
>
> --
> Ginny
>
>
> "Rene J. Pajaron" <rjpajaron(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1157590150.869527.139280(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> Rod,
>>
>> One of my interest is converting my VO codes (a very large accounting
>> system) into .Net world. Rewrite is very un-economical at this point
>> because I have several major modules for upgrade.
>>
>> Two options I have:
>> 1. Vulcan (I am waiting for its release) to 'port' my VO code
>> seamlessly into DotNet, and move from there.
>>
>> 2. C# (a line by line conversion of hundreds perhaps millions lines of
>> code accumulated throught the years)--perhaps a converted will come in
>> handy.
>>
>> Dont get me wrong. VO 2.7 works great for me. I have CM200/RP3 full
>> license and works solidly.
>>
>> However, I need to move on to next level. While maintaining my rock
>> solid VO apps, I will do something for next version up for 3 or 5 years
>> from now. I am not in hurry. I am watching grafx for Vulcan/VO2.8
>> released.
>>
>> I didnt join VOPS because I dnt need it. But I like its approach
>> because it ensure VO maintenance, but I hold my opinion to myself and
>> not willing to share my thoughts for anyone because its mine and mine
>> alone.
>>
>>
>> Rene
>>
>> PS: you can add me to mailing list
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayon kay RodDaSilva:
>>> Jamie
>>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate them.
>>>
>>> <<Am I right that you can convert VO code to C#?>>
>>>
>>> Let's just say that its Clipper to C# that I am focused on at this
>>> particular time.
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mullet wrote:
>>> > Hi Rod,
>>> >
>>> > I am out of Clipper and VO now, but I think you are on the right
>>> > track. You
>>> > are the only one who has offered a functional and practical solution
>>> > for
>>> > Clipper/VO users to move forwards. You are small on hype and big on
>>> > delivery. Keep up the good work.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > This is a public news group, so post what you want. I worked with your
>>> > COM
>>> > stuff for years and it was excellent. If anyone doesn't like your
>>> > posts they
>>> > can go back to there "pay per view" little club thingy. Am I right
>>> > that you
>>> > can convert VO code to C#?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jamie
>>> >
>>> > "RodDaSilva" <RodDaSilva(a)SoftwarePerspectives.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:1157539807.253012.120200(a)e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>> > > Graham
>>> > >
>>> > > Well I did ask people to respond privately. I am sensitive to the
>>> > > fact
>>> > > that this announcement will not be of interest to most here and me
>>> > > posting it amounts to spam <g> (hopefully not completely off topic).
>>> > > I
>>> > > am hoping that given my loyalty and contribution to the VO community
>>> > > over the past decade people that know me will excuse me this one
>>> > > time
>>> > > <g>.
>>> > >
>>> > > All other info regarding the CMTK will be provided for now in a
>>> > > private
>>> > > section of the www.CULEPlace.com website for those that express
>>> > > interest as per the bottom of my long announcement.
>>> > >
>>> > > And by the way...I already have lots of bites <g>.
>>> > >
>>> > > Take care.
>>> > > Rod
>>> > >
>>> > > Graham McKechnie wrote:
>>> > >> Rod,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> This sounds really hot. Your message has been sitting here for
>>> > >> nearly 12
>>> > >> hours and not one reply.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Most organizations I get to visit these days - have never even
>>> > >> heard of
>>> > >> Clipper.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Wish you luck with it, but I hope you get some bites.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Graham
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>
>
>


From: Ginny Caughey on 7 Sep 2006 13:23
Mullet,

You'd need the Vulcan libraries but you wouldn't be using the source even
though source to the Vulcan libraries will be included with the product.
Instead you'd be using the MSIL that is generated and turning that back into
C#. I am not a lawyer so I can't give advice on copyrights, but if you are
legally entitled to use those libraries because you have a Vulcan license,
then I don't see what the problem would be.

--
Ginny


"Mullet" <mullet(a)yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:6WXLg.6110$0k7.4840(a)clgrps13...
> How would you handle the VO libraries? If you did convert these libraries
> to C# using reflection wouldn't you be in violation of the source code
> copyright?
>
> "Ginny Caughey" <ginny.caughey.online(a)wasteworks.com> wrote in message
> news:4maedcF56dl1U1(a)individual.net...
>> Rene,
>>
>> Pretty much any .NET app can be converted to C# using something like
>> Reflector. I have shown this at conferences where I take a Vulcan app and
>> convert it to C#.
>>
>> --
>> Ginny
>>
>>
>> "Rene J. Pajaron" <rjpajaron(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1157590150.869527.139280(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>> Rod,
>>>
>>> One of my interest is converting my VO codes (a very large accounting
>>> system) into .Net world. Rewrite is very un-economical at this point
>>> because I have several major modules for upgrade.
>>>
>>> Two options I have:
>>> 1. Vulcan (I am waiting for its release) to 'port' my VO code
>>> seamlessly into DotNet, and move from there.
>>>
>>> 2. C# (a line by line conversion of hundreds perhaps millions lines of
>>> code accumulated throught the years)--perhaps a converted will come in
>>> handy.
>>>
>>> Dont get me wrong. VO 2.7 works great for me. I have CM200/RP3 full
>>> license and works solidly.
>>>
>>> However, I need to move on to next level. While maintaining my rock
>>> solid VO apps, I will do something for next version up for 3 or 5 years
>>> from now. I am not in hurry. I am watching grafx for Vulcan/VO2.8
>>> released.
>>>
>>> I didnt join VOPS because I dnt need it. But I like its approach
>>> because it ensure VO maintenance, but I hold my opinion to myself and
>>> not willing to share my thoughts for anyone because its mine and mine
>>> alone.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rene
>>>
>>> PS: you can add me to mailing list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayon kay RodDaSilva:
>>>> Jamie
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate them.
>>>>
>>>> <<Am I right that you can convert VO code to C#?>>
>>>>
>>>> Let's just say that its Clipper to C# that I am focused on at this
>>>> particular time.
>>>>
>>>> Rod
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mullet wrote:
>>>> > Hi Rod,
>>>> >
>>>> > I am out of Clipper and VO now, but I think you are on the right
>>>> > track. You
>>>> > are the only one who has offered a functional and practical solution
>>>> > for
>>>> > Clipper/VO users to move forwards. You are small on hype and big on
>>>> > delivery. Keep up the good work.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > This is a public news group, so post what you want. I worked with
>>>> > your COM
>>>> > stuff for years and it was excellent. If anyone doesn't like your
>>>> > posts they
>>>> > can go back to there "pay per view" little club thingy. Am I right
>>>> > that you
>>>> > can convert VO code to C#?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Jamie
>>>> >
>>>> > "RodDaSilva" <RodDaSilva(a)SoftwarePerspectives.com> wrote in message
>>>> > news:1157539807.253012.120200(a)e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>>> > > Graham
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Well I did ask people to respond privately. I am sensitive to the
>>>> > > fact
>>>> > > that this announcement will not be of interest to most here and me
>>>> > > posting it amounts to spam <g> (hopefully not completely off
>>>> > > topic). I
>>>> > > am hoping that given my loyalty and contribution to the VO
>>>> > > community
>>>> > > over the past decade people that know me will excuse me this one
>>>> > > time
>>>> > > <g>.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > All other info regarding the CMTK will be provided for now in a
>>>> > > private
>>>> > > section of the www.CULEPlace.com website for those that express
>>>> > > interest as per the bottom of my long announcement.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > And by the way...I already have lots of bites <g>.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Take care.
>>>> > > Rod
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Graham McKechnie wrote:
>>>> > >> Rod,
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> This sounds really hot. Your message has been sitting here for
>>>> > >> nearly 12
>>>> > >> hours and not one reply.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Most organizations I get to visit these days - have never even
>>>> > >> heard of
>>>> > >> Clipper.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Wish you luck with it, but I hope you get some bites.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Graham
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


From: Sherlock on 7 Sep 2006 19:06
Ginny

snip[ How would you handle the VO libraries? If you did convert these
libraries to
C# using reflection wouldn't you be in violation of the source code
copyright? ]

I think you would have a tough time ever winning this argument. Once
everything is in MSIL it is just about open source anyway. The code is
in a standard format for anybody to compile back to C# even with all
the tools out there.

Phil McGuinness

From: Sherlock on 7 Sep 2006 23:44
Ginny

snip[ How would you handle the VO libraries? If you did convert these
libraries to
C# using reflection wouldn't you be in violation of the source code
copyright? ]

You are only bound by the copyright if you installed the program and
accepted the EULA.
There was a case where Borland tried to sue a company who split
products from a bundled product group and sold them separately. Borland
claimed the reseller was bound by the EULA not to do this but as he has
never installed the software he is not bould by the EULA and Borland
lost the case.

As I understand it once your code is in MSIL you cannot copyright a
format you do not own and can only copyright your source code... which
you do not need if you can reverse compile it to say C# from MSIL.

All very interesting.

Phil McGuinness

From: Rene J. Pajaron on 8 Sep 2006 07:34
Ginny,

What is Reflector? I am sorry, I am just missing something. I really
wish there is 'easy way' to walk throught .Net with lots of VO code on
my back.

Rene

Ayon kay Ginny Caughey:
> Rene,
>
> Pretty much any .NET app can be converted to C# using something like
> Reflector. I have shown this at conferences where I take a Vulcan app and
> convert it to C#.
>
> --
> Ginny
>
>
> "Rene J. Pajaron" <rjpajaron(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1157590150.869527.139280(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > Rod,
> >
> > One of my interest is converting my VO codes (a very large accounting
> > system) into .Net world. Rewrite is very un-economical at this point
> > because I have several major modules for upgrade.
> >
> > Two options I have:
> > 1. Vulcan (I am waiting for its release) to 'port' my VO code
> > seamlessly into DotNet, and move from there.
> >
> > 2. C# (a line by line conversion of hundreds perhaps millions lines of
> > code accumulated throught the years)--perhaps a converted will come in
> > handy.
> >
> > Dont get me wrong. VO 2.7 works great for me. I have CM200/RP3 full
> > license and works solidly.
> >
> > However, I need to move on to next level. While maintaining my rock
> > solid VO apps, I will do something for next version up for 3 or 5 years
> > from now. I am not in hurry. I am watching grafx for Vulcan/VO2.8
> > released.
> >
> > I didnt join VOPS because I dnt need it. But I like its approach
> > because it ensure VO maintenance, but I hold my opinion to myself and
> > not willing to share my thoughts for anyone because its mine and mine
> > alone.
> >
> >
> > Rene
> >
> > PS: you can add me to mailing list
> >
> >
> >
> > Ayon kay RodDaSilva:
> >> Jamie
> >>
> >> Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate them.
> >>
> >> <<Am I right that you can convert VO code to C#?>>
> >>
> >> Let's just say that its Clipper to C# that I am focused on at this
> >> particular time.
> >>
> >> Rod
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mullet wrote:
> >> > Hi Rod,
> >> >
> >> > I am out of Clipper and VO now, but I think you are on the right track.
> >> > You
> >> > are the only one who has offered a functional and practical solution
> >> > for
> >> > Clipper/VO users to move forwards. You are small on hype and big on
> >> > delivery. Keep up the good work.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This is a public news group, so post what you want. I worked with your
> >> > COM
> >> > stuff for years and it was excellent. If anyone doesn't like your posts
> >> > they
> >> > can go back to there "pay per view" little club thingy. Am I right that
> >> > you
> >> > can convert VO code to C#?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Jamie
> >> >
> >> > "RodDaSilva" <RodDaSilva(a)SoftwarePerspectives.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:1157539807.253012.120200(a)e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >> > > Graham
> >> > >
> >> > > Well I did ask people to respond privately. I am sensitive to the
> >> > > fact
> >> > > that this announcement will not be of interest to most here and me
> >> > > posting it amounts to spam <g> (hopefully not completely off topic).
> >> > > I
> >> > > am hoping that given my loyalty and contribution to the VO community
> >> > > over the past decade people that know me will excuse me this one time
> >> > > <g>.
> >> > >
> >> > > All other info regarding the CMTK will be provided for now in a
> >> > > private
> >> > > section of the www.CULEPlace.com website for those that express
> >> > > interest as per the bottom of my long announcement.
> >> > >
> >> > > And by the way...I already have lots of bites <g>.
> >> > >
> >> > > Take care.
> >> > > Rod
> >> > >
> >> > > Graham McKechnie wrote:
> >> > >> Rod,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> This sounds really hot. Your message has been sitting here for
> >> > >> nearly 12
> >> > >> hours and not one reply.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Most organizations I get to visit these days - have never even heard
> >> > >> of
> >> > >> Clipper.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Wish you luck with it, but I hope you get some bites.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Graham
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >

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