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From: Holger Beuttler on 15 Nov 2009 12:40

"philo" <philo(a)privacy.invalid> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Holger Beuttler wrote:
>>
>> "philo" <philo(a)privacy.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> news:dMqdnS5CPdCGlGLXnZ2dnUVZ_oBi4p2d(a)ntd.net...
>>> Holger Beuttler wrote:
>>>> I tried both the Explorer where I, of course, didn't see anything and
>>>> from the UFS explorer where I could only found my computer's hard
>>>> drive.
>>>> In the "Ger�temanager" (I think this is called "device manager" in the
>>>> English Windows) I was able to find an entry for my USB drive I use to
>>>> connect the hard drive with my PC. And Windows gave me also the message
>>>> that a new drive was found but it was not possible to access either in
>>>> the windows Explorer nor in the UFS explorer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "philo" <philo(a)privacy.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>> news:28adnQKelsNkUmPXnZ2dnUVZ_rhi4p2d(a)ntd.net...
>>>>> Holger Beuttler wrote:
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've the following problem but I'm not shure whether this is the
>>>>>> correct group or not:
>>>>>> I had a problem with my hard disk recorder from Pioneer. I found a
>>>>>> method in the internet how to recover the data from the disk. I
>>>>>> installed the demo of the needed software (UFS explorer) and tried to
>>>>>> connect the hard disk from the recorder wirth my PC (Windows XP
>>>>>> Home).
>>>>>> According to the interent I should see now the data on the disk with
>>>>>> that software but I can't because Windows found that disk but for a
>>>>>> reason I don't know it does not allow any connection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>> Holger
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you trying to access the drive from within UFS explorer
>>>>> or from Windows explorer?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a look in disk management
>>>
>>> if it's not there, the drive is either defective or else mis-connected
>>
>> Where can I find this function? In the system control?
>
>
>
> Lets back up here a moment...
>
> Is the drive an IDE/ATA drive?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA
>
> is the drive even recognized in the BIOS
>
> check that first.
>
> If your bios is set to AUTO it should of course be automatically detected.
>
> If it's not detected there it's either jumpered wrong or else
> completely defective.
>
>
> If the drive is detected ok in the bios
>
> then here is how to use disk management
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309000
>
>
> Note: Be sure to do *nothing* with the drive other than seeing if it's
> recognized
>
Thanks a lot for your help. I will check all this stuff.

From: philo on 15 Nov 2009 12:46
Holger Beuttler wrote:
>
> "philo" <philo(a)privacy.invalid> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:hdosjl$6qr$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> Holger Beuttler wrote:
>>>
>>> "philo" <philo(a)privacy.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>> news:dMqdnS5CPdCGlGLXnZ2dnUVZ_oBi4p2d(a)ntd.net...
>>>> Holger Beuttler wrote:
>>>>> I tried both the Explorer where I, of course, didn't see anything
>>>>> and from the UFS explorer where I could only found my computer's
>>>>> hard drive.
>>>>> In the "Ger�temanager" (I think this is called "device manager" in
>>>>> the English Windows) I was able to find an entry for my USB drive I
>>>>> use to connect the hard drive with my PC. And Windows gave me also
>>>>> the message that a new drive was found but it was not possible to
>>>>> access either in the windows Explorer nor in the UFS explorer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "philo" <philo(a)privacy.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>>> news:28adnQKelsNkUmPXnZ2dnUVZ_rhi4p2d(a)ntd.net...
>>>>>> Holger Beuttler wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've the following problem but I'm not shure whether this is the
>>>>>>> correct group or not:
>>>>>>> I had a problem with my hard disk recorder from Pioneer. I found
>>>>>>> a method in the internet how to recover the data from the disk. I
>>>>>>> installed the demo of the needed software (UFS explorer) and
>>>>>>> tried to connect the hard disk from the recorder wirth my PC
>>>>>>> (Windows XP Home).
>>>>>>> According to the interent I should see now the data on the disk
>>>>>>> with that software but I can't because Windows found that disk
>>>>>>> but for a reason I don't know it does not allow any connection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>> Holger
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you trying to access the drive from within UFS explorer
>>>>>> or from Windows explorer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have a look in disk management
>>>>
>>>> if it's not there, the drive is either defective or else mis-connected
>>>
>>> Where can I find this function? In the system control?
>>
>>
>>
>> Lets back up here a moment...
>>
>> Is the drive an IDE/ATA drive?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA
>>
>> is the drive even recognized in the BIOS
>>
>> check that first.
>>
>> If your bios is set to AUTO it should of course be automatically
>> detected.
>>
>> If it's not detected there it's either jumpered wrong or else
>> completely defective.
>>
>>
>> If the drive is detected ok in the bios
>>
>> then here is how to use disk management
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309000
>>
>>
>> Note: Be sure to do *nothing* with the drive other than seeing if it's
>> recognized
>>
> Thanks a lot for your help. I will check all this stuff.


OK

if you can get your PC to "see" the drive in disk management

there is hope that your utility can recover your lost data
From: kony on 15 Nov 2009 17:42
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:38:02 +0100, "Holger Beuttler"
<holger.beuttler(a)t-online.de> wrote:


>The recorder is a Pioneer DVR-520H
>(http://www.pioneer.de/de/products/archive/DVR-520H-S/index.html sorry it's
>German. I couldn't find the coresponding English page but this should help
>also).
>The problem was, that during the starting process of this recorder a power
>failure took place. When I started the recorder again a message that a hard
>disk error occured was shown on the screen and unfortunately the hard disk
>was reseted so that it could be only used again after resetting it. I did
>the procedure and this formatized my hard disk.

You will not be able to find the files using a filesystem
driver because the hard drive has been formatted. You will
probably now need to have the filesystem driver loaded on
the PC and to use a recovery type program that scans the
drive for files and recovers them to a different drive.



>The I looked up in the
>internet and found that Pioneer's file systems is a UFS2 and deleted files
>could be restored with this UFS explorer.

If it were only a deleted file, that is a different
situation than having the hard drive become corrupt and then
be formatted. I do not know anything abou this UFS explorer
program, but the above is what I think the problem is.


>So I think there is no hardware problem because the recorder itself could
>access the hard disk without any problems.

As another person suggested, see if Disk Management in
Windows shows an existing partition, and if it sees a
filesystem it recognizes.

You might also download the hard drive manufacturer's
diagnostics program and check the drive with that, but do
not have it do write testing if that is one of the options,
avoid writing anything to the drive as it might cause
further data corruption if there is anything left to
recover.
From: Holger Beuttler on 16 Nov 2009 12:39
Thanks a lot for your hints. The UFS explorer can restore lost files. So
there is a hope for me.


"kony" <spam(a)spam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:1i01g5td72h2g6kcj110igrp94a28ln6bf(a)4ax.com...
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:38:02 +0100, "Holger Beuttler"
> <holger.beuttler(a)t-online.de> wrote:
>
>
>>The recorder is a Pioneer DVR-520H
>>(http://www.pioneer.de/de/products/archive/DVR-520H-S/index.html sorry
>>it's
>>German. I couldn't find the coresponding English page but this should help
>>also).
>>The problem was, that during the starting process of this recorder a power
>>failure took place. When I started the recorder again a message that a
>>hard
>>disk error occured was shown on the screen and unfortunately the hard disk
>>was reseted so that it could be only used again after resetting it. I did
>>the procedure and this formatized my hard disk.
>
> You will not be able to find the files using a filesystem
> driver because the hard drive has been formatted. You will
> probably now need to have the filesystem driver loaded on
> the PC and to use a recovery type program that scans the
> drive for files and recovers them to a different drive.
>
>
>
>>The I looked up in the
>>internet and found that Pioneer's file systems is a UFS2 and deleted files
>>could be restored with this UFS explorer.
>
> If it were only a deleted file, that is a different
> situation than having the hard drive become corrupt and then
> be formatted. I do not know anything abou this UFS explorer
> program, but the above is what I think the problem is.
>
>
>>So I think there is no hardware problem because the recorder itself could
>>access the hard disk without any problems.
>
> As another person suggested, see if Disk Management in
> Windows shows an existing partition, and if it sees a
> filesystem it recognizes.
>
> You might also download the hard drive manufacturer's
> diagnostics program and check the drive with that, but do
> not have it do write testing if that is one of the options,
> avoid writing anything to the drive as it might cause
> further data corruption if there is anything left to
> recover.

From: Holger Beuttler on 16 Nov 2009 12:41
Thanks for your help. I'm very buzy today but I will try it tomorrow and
report than again if I need more help.
"philo" <philo(a)privacy.invalid> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:hdpeou$hah$3(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> Holger Beuttler wrote:
>>
>> "philo" <philo(a)privacy.invalid> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> news:hdosjl$6qr$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Holger Beuttler wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "philo" <philo(a)privacy.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>> news:dMqdnS5CPdCGlGLXnZ2dnUVZ_oBi4p2d(a)ntd.net...
>>>>> Holger Beuttler wrote:
>>>>>> I tried both the Explorer where I, of course, didn't see anything and
>>>>>> from the UFS explorer where I could only found my computer's hard
>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>> In the "Ger�temanager" (I think this is called "device manager" in
>>>>>> the English Windows) I was able to find an entry for my USB drive I
>>>>>> use to connect the hard drive with my PC. And Windows gave me also
>>>>>> the message that a new drive was found but it was not possible to
>>>>>> access either in the windows Explorer nor in the UFS explorer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "philo" <philo(a)privacy.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>>>> news:28adnQKelsNkUmPXnZ2dnUVZ_rhi4p2d(a)ntd.net...
>>>>>>> Holger Beuttler wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've the following problem but I'm not shure whether this is the
>>>>>>>> correct group or not:
>>>>>>>> I had a problem with my hard disk recorder from Pioneer. I found a
>>>>>>>> method in the internet how to recover the data from the disk. I
>>>>>>>> installed the demo of the needed software (UFS explorer) and tried
>>>>>>>> to connect the hard disk from the recorder wirth my PC (Windows XP
>>>>>>>> Home).
>>>>>>>> According to the interent I should see now the data on the disk
>>>>>>>> with that software but I can't because Windows found that disk but
>>>>>>>> for a reason I don't know it does not allow any connection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>> Holger
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you trying to access the drive from within UFS explorer
>>>>>>> or from Windows explorer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a look in disk management
>>>>>
>>>>> if it's not there, the drive is either defective or else mis-connected
>>>>
>>>> Where can I find this function? In the system control?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lets back up here a moment...
>>>
>>> Is the drive an IDE/ATA drive?
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA
>>>
>>> is the drive even recognized in the BIOS
>>>
>>> check that first.
>>>
>>> If your bios is set to AUTO it should of course be automatically
>>> detected.
>>>
>>> If it's not detected there it's either jumpered wrong or else
>>> completely defective.
>>>
>>>
>>> If the drive is detected ok in the bios
>>>
>>> then here is how to use disk management
>>>
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309000
>>>
>>>
>>> Note: Be sure to do *nothing* with the drive other than seeing if it's
>>> recognized
>>>
>> Thanks a lot for your help. I will check all this stuff.
>
>
> OK
>
> if you can get your PC to "see" the drive in disk management
>
> there is hope that your utility can recover your lost data

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