Cosmologist in Lederhosen Spouts Nonsense!
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From: eric gisse on 17 May 2010 00:00 Robert L. Oldershaw wrote: [...] > > A great example is taking a canister of high pressure gas and > releasing the gas into a very large concert hall. Deluded Platonists > will tell you that you have an ergodic system and that one of its > possible states is "all the gas molecules back in the canister", and > that because of the ergodic theorem there is a finite positive > probability that this state will occur if you wait a trillion years, > or travel to Platonic ElseWhen. [...] We get it. You don't believe in physics or what it implies. No need to rehash the point. You can go back to numerology now.
From: "Juan R." González-Álvarez on 17 May 2010 10:00 eric gisse wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 21:00:25 -0700: > Robert L. Oldershaw wrote: > > [...] >> >> A great example is taking a canister of high pressure gas and releasing >> the gas into a very large concert hall. Deluded Platonists will tell >> you that you have an ergodic system and that one of its possible states >> is "all the gas molecules back in the canister", and that because of >> the ergodic theorem there is a finite positive probability that this >> state will occur if you wait a trillion years, or travel to Platonic >> ElseWhen. > > [...] > > We get it. You don't believe in physics or what it implies. And you got wrong again... he is talking about the physics, you are about fantasies -- http://www.canonicalscience.org/ BLOG: http://www.canonicalscience.org/publications/canonicalsciencetoday/canonicalsciencetoday.html
From: "Juan R." González-Álvarez on 17 May 2010 10:41 Robert L. Oldershaw wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 20:37:16 -0700: > On May 16, 8:49 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Oh, I agree with you. I just remember that example from some physics >> book. It would never happen in the real world. But our mathematics is >> able to calculate the number of years it would take with some >> probability to occur if there were that many years left in the >> Universe. But there aren't. What does this all say? It gives people >> writing in usenet something to fill their white space with. And these >> transactions form the Global Brain. > ------------------------------------------ > > One problem with these arguments is that they assume that physical > systems are "ergodic", which means they visit all possible states in > their temporal evolution/motion. > > This is a nice fiction and makes the math simpler, but anyone familiar > with nonlinear dynamical systems/chaos/fractals, which is the physics of > real physical systems, knows that real systems are not ideally > reversible and ergodic. They only act that way in Platonic fantasy- > land. > > A great example is taking a canister of high pressure gas and releasing > the gas into a very large concert hall. Deluded Platonists will tell > you that you have an ergodic system and that one of its possible states > is "all the gas molecules back in the canister", and that because of the > ergodic theorem there is a finite positive probability that this state > will occur if you wait a trillion years, or travel to Platonic ElseWhen. > > It is a lie! The gas molecules will never go back into the canister > without a huge amount of effort because the system is not ergodic and > the statistical arguments of the Platonists are wrong, if applied to the > real world. They are "mathematically correct". It's just that the > assumptions do not apply to the real world of nature. They are not mathematically correct. At contrary they are using using what van Kampen named "mathematical funambulism". > Thanks for giving me the opportunity to discuss this. > > Best, > RLO > www.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw -- http://www.canonicalscience.org/ BLOG: http://www.canonicalscience.org/publications/canonicalsciencetoday/canonicalsciencetoday.html
From: Robert L. Oldershaw on 17 May 2010 12:21 On May 17, 12:15 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Did you make this up? > Successful Predictions And Retrodictions Of The SSCP > > Have you peer reviewed publications for each of these claims?- Hide quoted text - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Give me a break and read the friggin' website. EVERYTHING is documented and PUBLISHED. Don't settle for ignore-ance. Best, RLO www.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw
From: Sam Wormley on 17 May 2010 16:02
On 5/17/10 11:21 AM, Robert L. Oldershaw wrote: > On May 17, 12:15 am, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Did you make this up? >> Successful Predictions And Retrodictions Of The SSCP >> >> Have you peer reviewed publications for each of these claims?- Hide quoted text - > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Give me a break and read the friggin' website. EVERYTHING is > documented and PUBLISHED. > > Don't settle for ignore-ance. > > Best, > RLO > www.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw It is the "I am an independent researcher in the field of cosmology" coupled with the grandiose claims here http://www3.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw/predict.html that raise a red flag for me. My apologies. |