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From: amdx on 5 Mar 2010 19:59 That damn global warming! Several ships, including one small cruise liner, were stuck in ice.... More than 30 ships were plagued by the problem and stranded at sea until the ice was cut away early today, March 5, 2010. http://www.examiner.com/x-20221-Long-Island-International-Travel-Examiner~y2010m3d5-cruise-ships-stuck-in-ice-are-freed "It has been a lot colder than normal in the southern parts of the Baltic Sea. But in the north, all is normal, with normal levels of ice."
From: Richard Henry on 5 Mar 2010 20:15 On Mar 5, 4:59 pm, "amdx" <a...(a)knology.net> wrote: > That damn global warming! > > Several ships, including one small cruise liner, were stuck in ice.... > More than 30 ships were plagued by the problem and stranded at sea > until the ice was cut away early today, March 5, 2010. > > http://www.examiner.com/x-20221-Long-Island-International-Travel-Exam... > > "It has been a lot colder than normal in the southern parts of the Baltic > Sea. > But in the north, all is normal, with normal levels of ice." Balti Sea Ice service shows current ice conditions to be less than normal. http://www.fmi.fi/weather/index_9.html
From: Royston Vasey on 5 Mar 2010 23:13 "Richard Henry" <pomerado(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e36c0cd9-637c-4a85-b7a7-2477676956ca(a)p3g2000pra.googlegroups.com... On Mar 5, 4:59 pm, "amdx" <a...(a)knology.net> wrote: > That damn global warming! > > Several ships, including one small cruise liner, were stuck in ice.... > More than 30 ships were plagued by the problem and stranded at sea > until the ice was cut away early today, March 5, 2010. > > http://www.examiner.com/x-20221-Long-Island-International-Travel-Exam... > > "It has been a lot colder than normal in the southern parts of the Baltic > Sea. > But in the north, all is normal, with normal levels of ice." Balti Sea Ice service shows current ice conditions to be less than normal. http://www.fmi.fi/weather/index_9.html Come on Richard, no need to confuse and agitate the deniers with facts! :)
From: Paul Keinanen on 6 Mar 2010 01:36 On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:15:09 -0800 (PST), Richard Henry <pomerado(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On Mar 5, 4:59�pm, "amdx" <a...(a)knology.net> wrote: >> That damn global warming! >> >> Several ships, including one small cruise liner, were stuck in ice.... >> More than 30 ships were plagued by the problem and stranded at sea >> until the ice was cut away early today, March 5, 2010. >> >> http://www.examiner.com/x-20221-Long-Island-International-Travel-Exam... >> >> "It has been a lot colder than normal in the southern parts of the Baltic >> Sea. >> But in the north, all is normal, with normal levels of ice." > >Balti Sea Ice service shows current ice conditions to be less than >normal. > >http://www.fmi.fi/weather/index_9.html There is a better map at http://www.itameriportaali.fi/html/icef/icemap_c.pdf The location at which the ships were stuck are North-East of Stockholm, East of Norrt�lje. The water in the Baltic sea was warmer than normal at the end of the last year, while temperatures on land has been below freezing for 2-3 months continuously (which is quite unusual). The ice situation is similar to the average situation last century, but in the last decade, some ice breakers have been sitting at the docks all year (so no cebreaker crew strikes recenly :-), but this winter they are all out doing some useful work. Cruise liners between Finland, Sweden and Estonia are designed to operate without icebreaker assistance during the winter (sufficient engine power), while ordinary merchant ships usually require icebreaker assistance in the winter. The current situation occurred because the wind was blowing towards the Stockholm archipelago, packing ice into the narrow channel. The cruise liners did not have enough power to handle this pack ice (3 m above and 10 m below the sea level), neither did the small harbor icebreakers, so they really had to call in the big Baltic sea icebreakers. A similar situation occurred a few weeks ago, when an underpowered cruise liner between Finland and Estonia was stuck for several hours when the wind was blowing ice from the South against the coast of Finland and the liner was stuck for several hours. A more powerful liner did cut it out from the ice, but this did not reach international headlines. During the Little Ice Age, tho whole Baltic Sea could be frozen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_across_the_Belts and a full army could march from Sweden to Denmark in 1658. The current situation in Finland (continuous freezing temperatures for 2-3 months and nearly 1 m of snow) might be a shock for youngsters, but the oldsters have seen worse. Apparently due to the warmingist propaganda, the railroad network in Finland is stuck, when there are cold temperatures or some snow and trains are hours late, while in the Saint Petersburg region in Russia (just 200-400 km East from here) such climate conditions do not cause problem for the traffic. In previous decades during the winter, systems operated as least as good in Finland as in Russia.
From: Okkim Atnarivik on 6 Mar 2010 07:34
Paul Keinanen <keinanen(a)sci.fi> wrote: : The current situation in Finland (continuous freezing temperatures for : 2-3 months and nearly 1 m of snow) might be a shock for youngsters, : but the oldsters have seen worse. It's great to have a good old-fashioned winter. When I was a student in 80's we flew hang-gliders in several winters by car tow launching them on the frozen sea in front of Helsinki. That has not been possible very often ever since. : Apparently due to the warmingist propaganda, the railroad network in : Finland is stuck, when there are cold temperatures or some snow and : trains are hours late, while in the Saint Petersburg region in Russia : (just 200-400 km East from here) such climate conditions do not cause : problem for the traffic. I agree that probably expectations of warmer and warmer winters has kept the VR railroad company from investing in snow-tolerant equipment. Now they are taken by surprise by this downswing in temperature. Still, I think the cold winter here is just an anecdote - not saying much about the global average temperature, and even less about what the long-term trend actually is. The artficially warm recent winters (in particular 07-08) have felt really creepy. Regards, Mikko |