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From: kobiianardo on 9 Apr 2010 19:50 Thanks for the reply. It turns out it's alot harder to set this thing up than I expected. i was used to being able to set up a simple password for different folders. Should i start a new thread to basically ask for somewhat step-by-step help on transferring from machine with SBS 2k8 to a machine with workgroup in server 2008? (want the files, not the domain) I dont know if it's because the old server is still running a domain with SBS 2k3. i cannot get a sense of forming a workgroup at all. what i did was this: from the existing domain hosted by SBS, i took out 2 computers: the new server 2008 computer and a random laptop running windows 7. I changed the computer properties so they both reside in "WORKGROUP2" -> restart. now both computers see each other on the network. And ideally if i want to share a folder on the computer with server2008, i go to the folder i want to share -> right click for properties. for both the "Sharing" tab and "Security" tab, i can edit the people i want to access the folder. BUT: the problem is that for adding people, the location i can pull people's name from is only my own computer (the server2008 computer) -- rephrased: suppose i go to folder -> properties -> advanced sharing -> permissions -> add -> locations -> the list only contains my own computer name, while what i want is something like //WORKGROUP2 and the computers within (in this test scenario mine and the windows 7 computer). thankies kobiianardo On Apr 8, 10:45 pm, Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS] <meiweb@(nospam)gmx.de> wrote: > Hello kobiianardo, > > If you will use only the workgroup, it doesn't matter which way you choose > to make the machines workgroup computers. As long as you have the local administrator > password you can also bring them to workgroup without the domain. Don't forget > to prepare local user accounts on all computer and copy data into a separate > machine folder, as the domain user account profile wan't be accessible for > normal user accounts. > > SBS handles also DNS as this is a major need for a domain. > > Best regards > > Meinolf Weber > Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers > no rights. > ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups > ** HELP us help YOU!!!http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > > > > > Hello, > > we're getting rid of and switching from a computer with server 2003 > > SBS to become a workgroup of 15 or so people. it happens that the > > server is also our DHCP server (and i think it also handles our DNS). > > How do i modify the following processes so it would actually work out > > fine? > > > plan a: > > copy all the data we need from the old computer -> while the old > > server is still running -> get people out of the domain and join the > > workgroup -> buy and hookup a router -> throw away old computer. > > plan b: > > copy -> throw away computer -> hook up router -> make everyone join > > workgroup > > plan c: > > blank > > i dont know if the physical setup of our computers matter. we have 2-3 > > switches, 3-4 wired/wireless routers, 2 printers and maybe 20 > > computers. and also are there particular types of routers i should > > get? > > > thanks > > kobiianardo > > p.s. thanks for people that helped out in my other thread.
From: Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS] on 10 Apr 2010 02:51 Hello kobiianardo, That is one of the disadvantages you see in a workgroup. On EACH machine you have to configure each local username with the same password to get this up and running. If someone change the password on one computer, you have to change it on the others also. And as already said 10 connections are the maximum. So i think you should re-think about the removal of the domain. There are so many advantages with a domain instead of using a workgroup. Best regards Meinolf Weber Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > Thanks for the reply. > It turns out it's alot harder to set this thing up than I expected. i > was used to being able to set up a simple password for different > folders. > Should i start a new thread to basically ask for somewhat step-by-step > help on transferring from machine with SBS 2k8 to a machine with > workgroup in server 2008? (want the files, not the domain) > I dont know if it's because the old server is still running a domain > with SBS 2k3. i cannot get a sense of forming a workgroup at all. what > i did was this: from the existing domain hosted by SBS, i took out 2 > computers: the new server 2008 computer and a random laptop running > windows 7. I changed the computer properties so they both reside in > "WORKGROUP2" -> restart. now both computers see each other on the > network. And ideally if i want to share a folder on the computer with > server2008, i go to the folder i want to share -> right click for > properties. for both the "Sharing" tab and "Security" tab, i can edit > the people i want to access the folder. BUT: the problem is that for > adding people, the location i can pull people's name from is only my > own computer (the server2008 computer) -- rephrased: suppose i go to > folder -> properties -> advanced sharing -> permissions -> add -> > locations -> the list only contains my own computer name, while what i > want is something like //WORKGROUP2 and the computers within (in this > test scenario mine and the windows 7 computer). > > thankies > kobiianardo > On Apr 8, 10:45 pm, Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS] <meiweb@(nospam)gmx.de> > wrote: > >> Hello kobiianardo, >> >> If you will use only the workgroup, it doesn't matter which way you >> choose >> to make the machines workgroup computers. As long as you have the >> local administrator >> password you can also bring them to workgroup without the domain. >> Don't forget >> to prepare local user accounts on all computer and copy data into a >> separate >> machine folder, as the domain user account profile wan't be >> accessible for >> normal user accounts. >> SBS handles also DNS as this is a major need for a domain. >> >> Best regards >> >> Meinolf Weber >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and >> confers >> no rights. >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups >> ** HELP us help YOU!!!http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm >>> Hello, >>> we're getting rid of and switching from a computer with server 2003 >>> SBS to become a workgroup of 15 or so people. it happens that the >>> server is also our DHCP server (and i think it also handles our >>> DNS). >>> How do i modify the following processes so it would actually work >>> out >>> fine? >>> plan a: >>> copy all the data we need from the old computer -> while the old >>> server is still running -> get people out of the domain and join the >>> workgroup -> buy and hookup a router -> throw away old computer. >>> plan b: >>> copy -> throw away computer -> hook up router -> make everyone join >>> workgroup >>> plan c: >>> blank >>> i dont know if the physical setup of our computers matter. we have >>> 2-3 >>> switches, 3-4 wired/wireless routers, 2 printers and maybe 20 >>> computers. and also are there particular types of routers i should >>> get? >>> thanks >>> kobiianardo >>> p.s. thanks for people that helped out in my other thread.
From: Leythos on 10 Apr 2010 09:29 In article <u3hl$RC2KHA.1624(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, philwindell(a)hotmail.com says... > Although I have been to a doctor's office where they have no IT people and > the people there just cannot comprehend a "domain". I gave them a Domain on > the single server, but was forced to let them keep logging in to the > workstations *locally* with a generic account for the whole machine (no > per-user accounts). So the workstations are members, but beyond that the > Domain is unused. I had to just "give up" and leave it that way. > We do a lot of small offices, and it's just a matter of teaching them, in about 20 minutes, how to do things the right way, and to not give them any local logon passwords. You could have created mandatory profiles and made it simple. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: kobiianardo on 12 Apr 2010 04:12
okay so i'm following the domain-vibe that everyone's been suggesting. i took the server computer home and set up a fresh domain server with the other XP computer i have just so i dont have to deal with the monstrous SBS at the office for a while. setting up permission in a domain definitely seems like the intended path than forming a workgroup (which is strange: it's like saying laser guns are easier to operate than water-toy-guns simply because there are more manuals and paved-routes towards operating them). (i think we're not doing a workgroup anymore, but what's the limit on the maximum number of ppl on a workgroup. we have people saying 75, 10, 15, or 50+. do they just correspond to different versions of server2k8? like STD, ENT, DataCenter, etc?) now the problem is find out a way to copy people's profile from the old domain to the new one, so when they get mushed into the new domain, they still get the same windows settings they've had while they were on the old domain. i think mainly files and applications already on the local machines, and the personal settings. and what sort of router should i be getting for this kindda environment anyway? thanks again, kobiianardo On Apr 9, 11:51 pm, Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS] <meiweb@(nospam)gmx.de> wrote: > Hellokobiianardo, > > That is one of the disadvantages you see in a workgroup. On EACH machine > you have to configure each local username with the same password to get this > up and running. If someone change the password on one computer, you have > to change it on the others also. > > And as already said 10 connections are the maximum. > > So i think you should re-think about the removal of the domain. There are > so many advantages with a domain instead of using a workgroup. > > Best regards > > Meinolf Weber > Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers > no rights. > ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups > ** HELP us help YOU!!!http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > > > Thanks for the reply. > > It turns out it's alot harder to set this thing up than I expected. i > > was used to being able to set up a simple password for different > > folders. > > Should i start a new thread to basically ask for somewhat step-by-step > > help on transferring from machine with SBS 2k8 to a machine with > > workgroup in server 2008? (want the files, not the domain) > > I dont know if it's because the old server is still running a domain > > with SBS 2k3. i cannot get a sense of forming a workgroup at all. what > > i did was this: from the existing domain hosted by SBS, i took out 2 > > computers: the new server 2008 computer and a random laptop running > > windows 7. I changed the computer properties so they both reside in > > "WORKGROUP2" -> restart. now both computers see each other on the > > network. And ideally if i want to share a folder on the computer with > > server2008, i go to the folder i want to share -> right click for > > properties. for both the "Sharing" tab and "Security" tab, i can edit > > the people i want to access the folder. BUT: the problem is that for > > adding people, the location i can pull people's name from is only my > > own computer (the server2008 computer) -- rephrased: suppose i go to > > folder -> properties -> advanced sharing -> permissions -> add -> > > locations -> the list only contains my own computer name, while what i > > want is something like //WORKGROUP2 and the computers within (in this > > test scenario mine and the windows 7 computer). > > > thankies > >kobiianardo > > On Apr 8, 10:45 pm, Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS] <meiweb@(nospam)gmx.de> > > wrote: > > >> Hellokobiianardo, > > >> If you will use only the workgroup, it doesn't matter which way you > >> choose > >> to make the machines workgroup computers. As long as you have the > >> local administrator > >> password you can also bring them to workgroup without the domain. > >> Don't forget > >> to prepare local user accounts on all computer and copy data into a > >> separate > >> machine folder, as the domain user account profile wan't be > >> accessible for > >> normal user accounts. > >> SBS handles also DNS as this is a major need for a domain. > > >> Best regards > > >> Meinolf Weber > >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and > >> confers > >> no rights. > >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups > >> ** HELP us help YOU!!!http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > >>> Hello, > >>> we're getting rid of and switching from a computer with server 2003 > >>> SBS to become a workgroup of 15 or so people. it happens that the > >>> server is also our DHCP server (and i think it also handles our > >>> DNS). > >>> How do i modify the following processes so it would actually work > >>> out > >>> fine? > >>> plan a: > >>> copy all the data we need from the old computer -> while the old > >>> server is still running -> get people out of the domain and join the > >>> workgroup -> buy and hookup a router -> throw away old computer. > >>> plan b: > >>> copy -> throw away computer -> hook up router -> make everyone join > >>> workgroup > >>> plan c: > >>> blank > >>> i dont know if the physical setup of our computers matter. we have > >>> 2-3 > >>> switches, 3-4 wired/wireless routers, 2 printers and maybe 20 > >>> computers. and also are there particular types of routers i should > >>> get? > >>> thanks > >>>kobiianardo > >>> p.s. thanks for people that helped out in my other thread. |