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From: VanguardLH on 8 Feb 2010 22:22
peter wrote:

> excuse me .
> .I have a signature not a spam message repeated 4 times at the end of the post
> about eset nod.32 Antivirus
> with a website link
> peter

Except you place your signature at the wrong location. Signatures ALWAYS go
at the bottom of your post regardless of whether you like to top- or bottom-
post. There is only the start-of-signature delimiter line ("-- \n") aka
sigdash line. There is no end-of-signature delimiter. That means
EVERYTHING after the sigdash becomes part of your *signature*. Even many
MVPs can't seem to figure out this simple logic in how signatures work.
Typically those that place the signature at the top (after their top-posted
addition) are using OE which, in the past, improperly positioned the sigdash
line (after they got around to creating a valid one) after the top-posted
content rather than at the bottom.

This is not a "OE is a bad newsreader" argument. It takes but 2 brain cells
to cogitate on the use of the sigstart delimiter and realizing there is no
matching sigend delimiter to realize that everything past the sigstart line
is, gee, all part of a signature. As of SP-2 for Windows XP, a registry
edit became available for OE where the user can specify whether to top- or
bottom-post and to place the signature at the end. Rare few users ever
bothered to read the release notes for SP-2.

Service Pack 2 for Windows XP introduced registry settings where you can
decide if OE defaults to top- or bottom-posting style and also to where the
signature gets placed (which should ALWAYS be at the end regardless of top-
or bottom-posting style because there is only the start-of-sig delimiter and
no end-of-sig delimiter).

From KB 886340:
"List of Outlook Express fixes that are in Windows XP Service Pack 2 and
in Windows XP PC Tablet Edition 2005"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/886340

However, these settings apply to BOTH e-mails and newsgroup posts. OE does
not afford separate style controls for e-mail versus newsgroups regarding
bottom/top posting and sig position. That is why some users that know about
the registry hacks don't use them. They may want to bottom-post for their
newsgroup posts but continue to top-post for their e-mail replies. Since
they use e-mail more often than visit newsgroups, they leave OE configured
to top-post and then choose whether or not to simply reposition the insert
cursor when they begin editing their reply post. However, the signature
should still go at the bottom even for e-mails and it is a separate option.

Top-posting is a style choice but most OE users didn't make a choice. They
just use what the client defaults to using. Even if you like top-posting,
that doesn't preclude you from properly placing your signature at the end;
however, again due to lazy users, most don't know about the option and many
that do simply refuse to enable it. They're too lazy to find out, they're
too lazy to change, they're too lazy (or scared) to make the registry edits.
Users are not alone in being lazy. Many MVPs don't bother to properly
position their signature, too.

In your case, everything past:

--
If you find ...

became part of your *signature*, including the quoted posts.
From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 9 Feb 2010 02:24
Peter,
I love your signature! :)
Russ

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Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
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"peter" <peter(a)nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:u85uduSqKHA.3824(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> excuse me .
> .I have a signature not a spam message repeated 4 times at the end of the
> post about eset nod.32 Antivirus
> with a website link
> peter
>
> --
> If you find a posting or message from me offensive,inappropriate
> or disruptive,please ignore it.
> If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
> to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :-)
>
> "sgopus" <sgopus(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:23584969-BF4B-484E-B972-A4E5670A5E6F(a)microsoft.com...
>> follow the messages, I believe his spamming the newsgroups was directed
>> toward peter.
>>
>> "DaffyD®" wrote:
>>
>>> Are you directing the comment about spamming newsgroups to me?
>>>
>>> "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message
>>> news:hko9u0$l4k$1(a)news.albasani.net...
>>> > DaffyD wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> So this is "normal" behaviour for XP?
>>> >
>>> > You will have to get burning software. Some is free, like Ashampoo
>>> > 2010,
>>> > Nero 9 Lite, and CDburnerXP Pro.
>>> >
>>> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>>> >> signature database 4846 (20100208) __________
>>> >>
>>> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.eset.com
>>> >
>>> > Stop spamming the newsgroups. All it does it tack on superfluous text
>>> > and
>>> > makes you look foolish as though anyone is going to believe a post is
>>> > clean
>>> > because it says it is. It makes you their spamming affiliate. This
>>> > isn't
>>> > even a signature (there is no "-- \n" sigdash delimiter) so the spam
>>> > is
>>> > inside the body of your post. Turn the option off to spamify your
>>> > posts.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
From: DaffyD� on 13 Feb 2010 19:27
This is a non-issue which I will no longer address. Besides, I'm no longer
using NOD32.

"VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:hkqkdu$q1o$1(a)news.albasani.net...
> peter wrote:
>
>> excuse me .
>> .I have a signature not a spam message repeated 4 times at the end of the
>> post
>> about eset nod.32 Antivirus
>> with a website link
>> peter
>
> Except you place your signature at the wrong location. Signatures ALWAYS
> go
> at the bottom of your post regardless of whether you like to top- or
> bottom-
> post. There is only the start-of-signature delimiter line ("-- \n") aka
> sigdash line. There is no end-of-signature delimiter. That means
> EVERYTHING after the sigdash becomes part of your *signature*. Even many
> MVPs can't seem to figure out this simple logic in how signatures work.
> Typically those that place the signature at the top (after their
> top-posted
> addition) are using OE which, in the past, improperly positioned the
> sigdash
> line (after they got around to creating a valid one) after the top-posted
> content rather than at the bottom.
>
> This is not a "OE is a bad newsreader" argument. It takes but 2 brain
> cells
> to cogitate on the use of the sigstart delimiter and realizing there is no
> matching sigend delimiter to realize that everything past the sigstart
> line
> is, gee, all part of a signature. As of SP-2 for Windows XP, a registry
> edit became available for OE where the user can specify whether to top- or
> bottom-post and to place the signature at the end. Rare few users ever
> bothered to read the release notes for SP-2.
>
> Service Pack 2 for Windows XP introduced registry settings where you can
> decide if OE defaults to top- or bottom-posting style and also to where
> the
> signature gets placed (which should ALWAYS be at the end regardless of
> top-
> or bottom-posting style because there is only the start-of-sig delimiter
> and
> no end-of-sig delimiter).
>
> From KB 886340:
> "List of Outlook Express fixes that are in Windows XP Service Pack 2 and
> in Windows XP PC Tablet Edition 2005"
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/886340
>
> However, these settings apply to BOTH e-mails and newsgroup posts. OE
> does
> not afford separate style controls for e-mail versus newsgroups regarding
> bottom/top posting and sig position. That is why some users that know
> about
> the registry hacks don't use them. They may want to bottom-post for their
> newsgroup posts but continue to top-post for their e-mail replies. Since
> they use e-mail more often than visit newsgroups, they leave OE configured
> to top-post and then choose whether or not to simply reposition the insert
> cursor when they begin editing their reply post. However, the signature
> should still go at the bottom even for e-mails and it is a separate
> option.
>
> Top-posting is a style choice but most OE users didn't make a choice.
> They
> just use what the client defaults to using. Even if you like top-posting,
> that doesn't preclude you from properly placing your signature at the end;
> however, again due to lazy users, most don't know about the option and
> many
> that do simply refuse to enable it. They're too lazy to find out, they're
> too lazy to change, they're too lazy (or scared) to make the registry
> edits.
> Users are not alone in being lazy. Many MVPs don't bother to properly
> position their signature, too.
>
> In your case, everything past:
>
> --
> If you find ...
>
> became part of your *signature*, including the quoted posts.
>


From: DaffyD� on 13 Feb 2010 19:36
For some reason, after I installed the LG drive, it appeared in My Computer
as DVD-RAM Drive. And now, ever since I installed a new antivirus program, I
no longer see the change to CD Drive--it remains DVD-RAM Drive when I insert
a blank DVD or CD disk. Maybe a Windows Update fixed it or perhaps I fixed
the registry somehow. But the problem is solved.
--
DaffyD� ( : []=

If I knew where I was I'd be there now.


"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uLLzrNSqKHA.4752(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> DaffyD� wrote:
>> When I insert a blank DVD into the drive, the icon changes from
>> DVD-RAM Drive to CD Drive and a windows opens up asking what
>> I would like to do with the CD. After I eject the blank DVD, the icon
>> returns to displaying DVD-RAM Drive. However, when I insert a DVD
>> video into the drive, it will be recognized as such. A DVD data
>> disc is correctly displayed as DVD ROM. The drive reads any disk I
>> insert, and the drive is also recognized by most of my DVD burning
>> software. I've also updated to the latest firmware for the drive.
>> I've checked online and this problem seems to have existed for
>> years with Windows XP.
>>
>> The question is, why does the icon change to CD Drive when I insert
>> a blank DVD disc and then only give me options for working with a
>> CD?
>>
>> Make: LG; Model: GH22LP20. Their website was no help at all; I'm
>> also waiting for a response from their customer service dept. I
>> didn't specify my hardware because this situation has also occurred
>> with HP, Pioneer and other manufacturers over the past few years.
>> I think it's an XP issue, not hardware-based. I asked this question
>> in another newsgroup but didn't get a solution there.
>
> Windows XP never supported burning to DVD +/- R/RW media, only CD.
> Therefore - what you are seeing may be a normal consequence of this
> fact. For DVD +/- R/RW authoring in Windows XP you have always
> needed (and will always likely need) third party software.
>
> Since you do have a DVD-RAM drive (for reasons only you know) I feel
> obliged to ask what happens when you insert a DVD-RAM disc for writing?
>
> In any case - this is a quirk caused by the lack of support (which is
> likely
> to continue for Windows XP as it is a dead OS for all intents and purposes
> of support and future development beyond security patches) for
> DVD +/- R/RW burning.
>
> DVD-RAM, however, was strangely supported... Thus my query about what
> happens when you insert a DVD-RAM disc? Although the original list of
> actually supported drives does not include yours. ;-)
>
> Windows XP supports the DVD-RAM file systems
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283588
>
> And, in some part:
> http://www.mytechguide.com/26/using-dvd-ram-disc-under-windows-xp/
>
> And the problem you describe is not, by any means, new (Google - it
> works):
> http://club.myce.com/f61/dvd-rw-drives-show-up-cd-r-drives-upon-disc-insertion-200821/
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>


From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 13 Feb 2010 20:37
There's a big difference in not knowing
and not caring...
:)
Russ

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MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
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Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
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"VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:hkqkdu$q1o$1(a)news.albasani.net...
> peter wrote:
>
>> excuse me .
>> .I have a signature not a spam message repeated 4 times at the end of the
>> post
>> about eset nod.32 Antivirus
>> with a website link
>> peter
>
> Except you place your signature at the wrong location. Signatures ALWAYS
> go
> at the bottom of your post regardless of whether you like to top- or
> bottom-
> post. There is only the start-of-signature delimiter line ("-- \n") aka
> sigdash line. There is no end-of-signature delimiter. That means
> EVERYTHING after the sigdash becomes part of your *signature*. Even many
> MVPs can't seem to figure out this simple logic in how signatures work.
> Typically those that place the signature at the top (after their
> top-posted
> addition) are using OE which, in the past, improperly positioned the
> sigdash
> line (after they got around to creating a valid one) after the top-posted
> content rather than at the bottom.
>
> This is not a "OE is a bad newsreader" argument. It takes but 2 brain
> cells
> to cogitate on the use of the sigstart delimiter and realizing there is no
> matching sigend delimiter to realize that everything past the sigstart
> line
> is, gee, all part of a signature. As of SP-2 for Windows XP, a registry
> edit became available for OE where the user can specify whether to top- or
> bottom-post and to place the signature at the end. Rare few users ever
> bothered to read the release notes for SP-2.
>
> Service Pack 2 for Windows XP introduced registry settings where you can
> decide if OE defaults to top- or bottom-posting style and also to where
> the
> signature gets placed (which should ALWAYS be at the end regardless of
> top-
> or bottom-posting style because there is only the start-of-sig delimiter
> and
> no end-of-sig delimiter).
>
> From KB 886340:
> "List of Outlook Express fixes that are in Windows XP Service Pack 2 and
> in Windows XP PC Tablet Edition 2005"
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/886340
>
> However, these settings apply to BOTH e-mails and newsgroup posts. OE
> does
> not afford separate style controls for e-mail versus newsgroups regarding
> bottom/top posting and sig position. That is why some users that know
> about
> the registry hacks don't use them. They may want to bottom-post for their
> newsgroup posts but continue to top-post for their e-mail replies. Since
> they use e-mail more often than visit newsgroups, they leave OE configured
> to top-post and then choose whether or not to simply reposition the insert
> cursor when they begin editing their reply post. However, the signature
> should still go at the bottom even for e-mails and it is a separate
> option.
>
> Top-posting is a style choice but most OE users didn't make a choice.
> They
> just use what the client defaults to using. Even if you like top-posting,
> that doesn't preclude you from properly placing your signature at the end;
> however, again due to lazy users, most don't know about the option and
> many
> that do simply refuse to enable it. They're too lazy to find out, they're
> too lazy to change, they're too lazy (or scared) to make the registry
> edits.
> Users are not alone in being lazy. Many MVPs don't bother to properly
> position their signature, too.
>
> In your case, everything past:
>
> --
> If you find ...
>
> became part of your *signature*, including the quoted posts.

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