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From: Rod Speed on 8 Jan 2007 23:39
Shep� <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote
> Too Much Ying and you will Pay With Yang then "Zach" <zpf100(a)gmail.com> wrote

>> Hello,
>>
>> I just upgraded from a Pioneer DVR-104 (worked good but only burnt at
>> 2x, took 25 mins for a dvd) to a Pioneer DVR-111. When I try to burn
>> a DVD, it burns at 12x but has to pause all the time because the
>> device buffer empties faster than it can be filled. The buffer on my
>> computer is at 95-100% the whole time. What's going on? This new DVD
>> writer takes 50 minutes to burn 1 DVD!
>>
>> I returned the first DVD writer to newegg for a replacement and the
>> new
>>
>> one does the same thing. Earlier, I was given the following
>> information:
>>
>>
>>
>> "It could be the transfer mode of the cd drive, or better said: the
>> transfer
>> mode of the IDE channel being used.
>>
>> Go to the device manager.
>> Open up the Primary or Secondary IDE channel (depending on the
>> connection
>> you used).
>> Make sure that (translating from dutch now..) data transfer mode(?)
>> is set
>> to "DMA, if available", and *not* to "PIO".
>> Just below that option is the real transfer mode being used.
>> If you had to change the mode, it should indicate DMA or Ultra-DMA
>> mode
>>
>> after a reboot.
>>
>> Windows sometimes completely ruins these settings.
>> In worst case, if you can't change the transfer mode, you'll have to
>> remove
>> the Pri. or Sec. IDE channel from the device manager and reboot to
>> let windows redetect and reload it with fresh settings."
>>
>>
>>
>> So I tried following the above instructions. When I look at my
>> primary IDE channel, the transfer mode of Device 0 (the master,
>> which is a regular DVD-ROM drive that works fine) is on "Ultra DMA
>> Mode 2". The transfer mode of Device 1 (the slave, which is my
>> DVD-RW drive that isn't working correctly) is on "PIO Mode" even
>> though it is set to "DMA if available". Even if I uninstall the
>> Primary IDE connection and reboot, I always get "PIO Mode" for my
>> dvd burner.
>>
>> One more thing to note is that when I turn on my computer, I get an
>> error in DOS before windows boots. It says:
>> "Drive 5 not found: Parallel ATA, PATA-1 (PRI IDE Slave)
>> Strike the F1 key to continue, F2 to run the setup utility"
>>
>> which is referring to my dvd burner. Please help if you know what's
>> going on here.

> Place one Optical drive on one IDE chain and the 2nd one on the other IDE chain.

No need.

> IDE drives cannot read and write at the same time if on the same IDE chain

Correct, but the software used for burning doesnt attempt to do that.

> thus slowing them down to sometimes less than half their optimal speeds

That is just plain wrong when burning. There's a buffer for a reason.

Those who dont bother with your prescription dont get the effect he is getting.

> and without DMA enabled they will be slower again.

Different matter entirely.

> Also, If this is winXP then install at least SP1 but better still SP2
> and then try to re-enable DMA mode Device Manager/IDE-ATA
> controllers section Primary and Secondary and then re-boot.

> To check that all drives are in DMA mode use the free small NeroInfotool,
> http://www.cdspeed2000.com/go.php3?link=download.html
> can be run from within the .zip file and check the Configuration tab.

> A 650 meg CD takes around 5 mins to burn on my system
> depending on the speed of the disk/media speed.



From: Paul on 8 Jan 2007 12:59
Zach wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just upgraded from a Pioneer DVR-104 (worked good but only burnt at
> 2x, took 25 mins for a dvd) to a Pioneer DVR-111. When I try to burn a
> DVD, it burns at 12x but has to pause all the time because the device
> buffer empties faster than it can be filled. The buffer on my computer
> is at 95-100% the whole time. What's going on? This new DVD writer
> takes 50 minutes to burn 1 DVD!
>
<<snip>>
>
> Thanks,
> Zach
>

What is the make and model number of the motherboard ?

Paul
From: Sylvain VAN DER WALDE on 9 Jan 2007 16:35

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:50gda7F121b5fU1(a)mid.individual.net...
> Sylvain VAN DER WALDE <sylvain.vanderwalde(a)which.net> wrote:
>> "Zach" <zpf100(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1168277361.250290.163620(a)s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I just upgraded from a Pioneer DVR-104 (worked good but only burnt at
>>> 2x, took 25 mins for a dvd) to a Pioneer DVR-111. When I try to burn
>>> a DVD, it burns at 12x but has to pause all the time because the
>>> device buffer empties faster than it can be filled. The buffer on my
>>> computer is at 95-100% the whole time. What's going on? This new DVD
>>> writer takes 50 minutes to burn 1 DVD!
>>>
>>> I returned the first DVD writer to newegg for a replacement and the
>>> new one does the same thing. Earlier, I was given the following
>>> information:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "It could be the transfer mode of the cd drive, or better said: the
>>> transfer
>>> mode of the IDE channel being used.
>>>
>>> Go to the device manager.
>>> Open up the Primary or Secondary IDE channel (depending on the
>>> connection
>>> you used).
>>> Make sure that (translating from dutch now..) data transfer mode(?)
>>> is set
>>> to "DMA, if available", and *not* to "PIO".
>>> Just below that option is the real transfer mode being used.
>>> If you had to change the mode, it should indicate DMA or Ultra-DMA
>>> mode after a reboot.
>>>
>>> Windows sometimes completely ruins these settings.
>>> In worst case, if you can't change the transfer mode, you'll have to
>>> remove
>>> the Pri. or Sec. IDE channel from the device manager and reboot to
>>> let windows redetect and reload it with fresh settings."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I tried following the above instructions. When I look at my
>>> primary IDE channel, the transfer mode of Device 0 (the master,
>>> which is a regular DVD-ROM drive that works fine) is on "Ultra DMA
>>> Mode 2". The transfer mode of Device 1 (the slave, which is my
>>> DVD-RW drive that isn't working correctly) is on "PIO Mode" even
>>> though it is set to "DMA if available". Even if I uninstall the
>>> Primary IDE connection and reboot, I always get "PIO Mode" for my
>>> dvd burner. One more thing to note is that when I turn on my computer, I
>>> get an
>>> error in DOS before windows boots. It says:
>>> "Drive 5 not found: Parallel ATA, PATA-1 (PRI IDE Slave)
>>> Strike the F1 key to continue, F2 to run the setup utility"
>>>
>>> which is referring to my dvd burner. Please help if you know what's
>>> going on here.
>
>> The HD drives should always be connected to the _primary_ IDE
>> controller, and the optical drives (CD-DVD) should always be
>> connected to the _secondary_ IDE controller.
>
> Wrong.
>
>> This is actually printed on my Asrock motherboard.
>
> Its just plain wrong.
>
>> Always jumper the first drive as master (drive with the cable socket
>> furthest away from motherboard), and the second drive as slave (drive
>> with the the cable socket nearest motherboard).
>
> That isnt necessary either.

It may not be necessary; but it's advisable, in the first instance.
>
> The only thing that matters is that if cable select isnt used,
> and there is just one drive on the cable, it should be on the
> end connector to prevent a stub on the end of the cable.
>
>> Use the jumpers as described _on each individual drive_. There is no
>> standard configuration for them.
>
> What is seen with optical drives is pretty common.
Hello Rod.
I don't mind you disagreeing with me in the least, as you do with some other
people in this group.
But I do mind that you don't appear to come up with a solution to the
various problems posed by original posters.
How about _answering_ an original poster's question, instead of correcting
other posters.
Well?
We'll think much better of you (whether you care or not), if you come up
with answers that prove to be correct.

Sylvain.


From: Zach on 11 Jan 2007 11:04
Thanks to everyone for all of the help. I apologize for the delay in my
response. Here's where I'm at:

-I checked the BIOS settings and could not find any problems. The
primary IDE slave is enabled. One interesting thing is that the primary
IDE slave device is listed as unknown in the BIOS while windows can
detect it as a Pioneer DVR-111. I guess this goes along with the error
message I'm getting before windows starts.

-The jumper settings on both DVD drives are correct. I originally had
the DVD-ROM set to master and the DVD-RW set to slave. I also tried
setting both drives to cable select and am getting the same problem. I
tried switching the jumpers from each drive to test if possibly the
jumper was bad and am still getting the same problem.

-I tried using a new IDE cable and am still getting the same problem.

-My computer only has one IDE cable, which is listed as the Primary IDE
cable in the BIOS. My hard drives use those new fangled serial cables.
The master (DVD-ROM) is using the IDE connection on the end of the
cable and the slave (DVD-RW) is using the IDE connection in the middle
of the cable.

-I'm using Windows XP Service Pack 2 and all of the critical updates
are installed.

-My computer is a Dell Dimension 9100. From what I can see on the
motherboard, it is made by Dell. One of the stickers on it has the
following numbers:
CN-0X8582-70821-55K-G076
Rev. A00
Let me know if you need any more information about the motherboard.

-One thing I haven't tried is to connect my DVD-RW as the master and my
DVD-ROM as the slave. I'll try this today and let you know what I find
out.



Thanks again,
Zach

From: RussellS on 11 Jan 2007 11:51

"Zach" <zpf100(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168531452.442074.307320(a)i39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks to everyone for all of the help. I apologize for the delay in my
> response. Here's where I'm at:
>
> -I checked the BIOS settings and could not find any problems. The
> primary IDE slave is enabled. One interesting thing is that the primary
> IDE slave device is listed as unknown in the BIOS while windows can
> detect it as a Pioneer DVR-111. I guess this goes along with the error
> message I'm getting before windows starts.
>
> -The jumper settings on both DVD drives are correct. I originally had
> the DVD-ROM set to master and the DVD-RW set to slave. I also tried
> setting both drives to cable select and am getting the same problem. I
> tried switching the jumpers from each drive to test if possibly the
> jumper was bad and am still getting the same problem.
>
> -I tried using a new IDE cable and am still getting the same problem.
>
> -My computer only has one IDE cable, which is listed as the Primary IDE
> cable in the BIOS. My hard drives use those new fangled serial cables.
> The master (DVD-ROM) is using the IDE connection on the end of the
> cable and the slave (DVD-RW) is using the IDE connection in the middle
> of the cable.
>
> -I'm using Windows XP Service Pack 2 and all of the critical updates
> are installed.
>
> -My computer is a Dell Dimension 9100. From what I can see on the
> motherboard, it is made by Dell. One of the stickers on it has the
> following numbers:
> CN-0X8582-70821-55K-G076
> Rev. A00
> Let me know if you need any more information about the motherboard.
>
> -One thing I haven't tried is to connect my DVD-RW as the master and my
> DVD-ROM as the slave. I'll try this today and let you know what I find
> out.
>
>
>
> Thanks again,
> Zach
---------------------------------------
With Dell BIOS, any unpopulated IDE positions (as shipped) will be disabled
in BIOS menu. After adding another IDE device, you need to go into the BIOS
menu, then set the new IDE position as "AUTO", then save and exit BIOS.
Reboot, then re-enter the BIOS menu another time, then save and exit again.
I know this is an extra step, but in the past when servicing other Dell
machines, the BIOS menu had to be accessed twice before the new device is
recognized and labeled correctly in BIOS. See if this helps in your case;
just a Dell idiosyncratic BIOS thing.

--
-Russell
http://tastycomputers.com


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