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From: John John - MVP on 10 Mar 2010 07:08 Gordon wrote: > > "John John - MVP" <audetweld(a)nbnot.nb.ca> wrote in message > news:eeiz0e$vKHA.4636(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> You're quite a character, Twayne. Countless people will come and tell >> you that they have 10+ year old floppies that still work perfectly and >> still contains intact data > > The problem is from my point of view (and experience) is that floppies > are completely erratic as to when they DO fail. My point in starting > this was that there are far more reliable and cheaper methods available > to day for data storage. I wouldn't dream of using a floppy today and if > I had data on floppies I would transfer it to one of the far more robust > storage methods. No arguments from anyone there, they are frail and they do fail, sometimes they fail almost as soon as they come out of the box. We know that they aren't the best storage media but Twayne's assertion that they all fail in a year unless you do a Kabuki dance and refresh them is rubbish. John
From: Unknown on 10 Mar 2010 10:57 I have no idea why you have such flawed thinking. Music media prior to CD's was cassettes. I have many cassettes purchased in 1984 thru 1986 in Japan. They all still work (play) I have floppies dating from 1994 during Windows 95 that still work. Are you just hell bent on being negative?? I am NOT saying they are very reliable, should be used on anything of that nature. BUT, they are not as bad as you make them out to be. Cars wear out. Does that mean I must take a bus? "Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message news:%23XH62z%23vKHA.3536(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > In news:Oyzzca5vKHA.1692(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, > Unknown <unknown(a)unknown.kom> typed: >> No idea where you get your specs. I have floppies over ten >> years old and still working great. >> Magnetic media? Disks can retain their data for many years. >> Tapes? I have 8 tracks and cassettes >> over 25 years old and still working. > > You're either a liar, have very expensive hi Qual floppies and tapes kept > in an environmentally controlled room and they're never accessed (in which > case you can't know they're good), or haven't looked at them in over 8 > years. Those "specs" are very easy to find on the 'net, are well known > (and vary some but not by magnitudes or anything close to what you > alleged) if you want to look for them. I'll bet a floppy by floppy > complete access test comes up corrupted on most of them. > > Twayne` > >> "Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message >> news:OIzNkRyvKHA.732(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> Unknown, you may already know, but ... floppies lose their >>> magnetic properties over time (thus they become unusable >>> or the data corrupts). It starts at about two month point >>> depending on the quality and age of the floppy, usually >>> being closer to 6 months for el-cheapos and around a year >>> for higher quality with good care. Before data corrupts, I >>> mean. To prevent that, it's best to copy them to CD/DVD for long >>> term storage. It's quick & easy to make a new floppy. >>> >>> The way to keep the floppy "refreshed" is to copy all the >>> data off it to your hard drive and then simply copy all >>> the data back to the floppy. In business, we used to do >>> that monthly. I'd still do it monthly if I wanted a floppy >>> to persist for the long term. But don't let the floppy be >>> the only copy of the files; back them up too so you can >>> always make another floppy. In the real world, I >>> discovered a cache of about 100 floppies, some with some >>> interesting files on them, and after over 5 years, still >>> managed to get the data off over 55% of them. I was >>> astonished! The software I used was a 100-pass program: >>> It would try to read the data 100 times and then pick the >>> sequence with the same identical data per try, and if it >>> was over a certain number, call that the "data". It was >>> surprisingly accurate for some of the "iffy" floppies. Now I have them >>> on CD-R for long term storage - fun to >>> play with sometimes. HTH, >>> >>> Twayne` >>> >>> >>> n news:ueN8VdvvKHA.3564(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, >>> Unknown <unknown(a)unknown.kom> typed: >>>> The manufacturer of my computer updates my BIOS by me >>>> downloading the update which is >>>> written to a floppy. I then boot with the floppy inserted >>>> and my BIOS is updated. >>>> Should something happen to my BIOS, I have a copy of it on >>>> a floppy. This is why I use a floppy in the 21st century. >>>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:OKB2gGkvKHA.5008(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> "Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:Oi8QeCkvKHA.732(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>> >>>>>> But off topic and irrelevant since it has nothing to do >>>>>> with the OPs query. >>>>> >>>>> Not at all. The question is - why would anyone want to >>>>> use 1.44 MB floppy discs anyway in the 21st century? >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered >>> through personal experience does not become a >>> part of the moral tissue. > > > > -- > -- > Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered > through personal experience does not become a > part of the moral tissue.
From: Unknown on 10 Mar 2010 11:41 When a technology (such as cassette tapes) is superseded by a newer technology (such as CD's) you have the knack of being EXTREMELY negative of the older technology and preach how bad they were even though billions of cassettes and floppies were used and sold. What on earth will you spout off when the internal combustion engine is superseded by a newer technology? Yet, you take the worst possible technology (registry cleaners) and praise them. Pelosi. (BS). "Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message news:%23XH62z%23vKHA.3536(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > In news:Oyzzca5vKHA.1692(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, > Unknown <unknown(a)unknown.kom> typed: >> No idea where you get your specs. I have floppies over ten >> years old and still working great. >> Magnetic media? Disks can retain their data for many years. >> Tapes? I have 8 tracks and cassettes >> over 25 years old and still working. > > You're either a liar, have very expensive hi Qual floppies and tapes kept > in an environmentally controlled room and they're never accessed (in which > case you can't know they're good), or haven't looked at them in over 8 > years. Those "specs" are very easy to find on the 'net, are well known > (and vary some but not by magnitudes or anything close to what you > alleged) if you want to look for them. I'll bet a floppy by floppy > complete access test comes up corrupted on most of them. > > Twayne` > >> "Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message >> news:OIzNkRyvKHA.732(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> Unknown, you may already know, but ... floppies lose their >>> magnetic properties over time (thus they become unusable >>> or the data corrupts). It starts at about two month point >>> depending on the quality and age of the floppy, usually >>> being closer to 6 months for el-cheapos and around a year >>> for higher quality with good care. Before data corrupts, I >>> mean. To prevent that, it's best to copy them to CD/DVD for long >>> term storage. It's quick & easy to make a new floppy. >>> >>> The way to keep the floppy "refreshed" is to copy all the >>> data off it to your hard drive and then simply copy all >>> the data back to the floppy. In business, we used to do >>> that monthly. I'd still do it monthly if I wanted a floppy >>> to persist for the long term. But don't let the floppy be >>> the only copy of the files; back them up too so you can >>> always make another floppy. In the real world, I >>> discovered a cache of about 100 floppies, some with some >>> interesting files on them, and after over 5 years, still >>> managed to get the data off over 55% of them. I was >>> astonished! The software I used was a 100-pass program: >>> It would try to read the data 100 times and then pick the >>> sequence with the same identical data per try, and if it >>> was over a certain number, call that the "data". It was >>> surprisingly accurate for some of the "iffy" floppies. Now I have them >>> on CD-R for long term storage - fun to >>> play with sometimes. HTH, >>> >>> Twayne` >>> >>> >>> n news:ueN8VdvvKHA.3564(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, >>> Unknown <unknown(a)unknown.kom> typed: >>>> The manufacturer of my computer updates my BIOS by me >>>> downloading the update which is >>>> written to a floppy. I then boot with the floppy inserted >>>> and my BIOS is updated. >>>> Should something happen to my BIOS, I have a copy of it on >>>> a floppy. This is why I use a floppy in the 21st century. >>>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:OKB2gGkvKHA.5008(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> "Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:Oi8QeCkvKHA.732(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>> >>>>>> But off topic and irrelevant since it has nothing to do >>>>>> with the OPs query. >>>>> >>>>> Not at all. The question is - why would anyone want to >>>>> use 1.44 MB floppy discs anyway in the 21st century? >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered >>> through personal experience does not become a >>> part of the moral tissue. > > > > -- > -- > Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered > through personal experience does not become a > part of the moral tissue.
From: Terry R. on 10 Mar 2010 16:10 On 3/10/2010 4:08 AM On a whim, John John - MVP pounded out on the keyboard > Gordon wrote: >> "John John - MVP"<audetweld(a)nbnot.nb.ca> wrote in message >> news:eeiz0e$vKHA.4636(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> You're quite a character, Twayne. Countless people will come and tell >>> you that they have 10+ year old floppies that still work perfectly and >>> still contains intact data >> The problem is from my point of view (and experience) is that floppies >> are completely erratic as to when they DO fail. My point in starting >> this was that there are far more reliable and cheaper methods available >> to day for data storage. I wouldn't dream of using a floppy today and if >> I had data on floppies I would transfer it to one of the far more robust >> storage methods. > > No arguments from anyone there, they are frail and they do fail, > sometimes they fail almost as soon as they come out of the box. We know > that they aren't the best storage media but Twayne's assertion that they > all fail in a year unless you do a Kabuki dance and refresh them is rubbish. > > John When they were $1 apiece, they had a "Lifetime" warranty. So they "must" have been made better... ;-) Terry R. -- Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
From: Unknown on 11 Mar 2010 12:10
Great logical thinking. "Terry R." <F1Com(a)NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote in message news:e$jSVZJwKHA.5036(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > On 3/10/2010 4:08 AM On a whim, John John - MVP pounded out on the > keyboard > >> Gordon wrote: >>> "John John - MVP"<audetweld(a)nbnot.nb.ca> wrote in message >>> news:eeiz0e$vKHA.4636(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> You're quite a character, Twayne. Countless people will come and tell >>>> you that they have 10+ year old floppies that still work perfectly and >>>> still contains intact data >>> The problem is from my point of view (and experience) is that floppies >>> are completely erratic as to when they DO fail. My point in starting >>> this was that there are far more reliable and cheaper methods available >>> to day for data storage. I wouldn't dream of using a floppy today and if >>> I had data on floppies I would transfer it to one of the far more robust >>> storage methods. >> >> No arguments from anyone there, they are frail and they do fail, >> sometimes they fail almost as soon as they come out of the box. We know >> that they aren't the best storage media but Twayne's assertion that they >> all fail in a year unless you do a Kabuki dance and refresh them is >> rubbish. >> >> John > > When they were $1 apiece, they had a "Lifetime" warranty. So they "must" > have been made better... ;-) > > > > > Terry R. > -- > Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. > Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. |