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From: Anand Sivaram on 3 Jun 2010 12:50 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 21:24, Daniel Barclay <daniel(a)fgm.com> wrote: > Ralph, > > Jochen Schulz wrote: > >> Ralph Katz: >> >>> Lenny install on newly acquired used Dell hangs and throws errors to >>> syslog. Do I have two bad disks or a more serious hardware problem? >>> >> >> Another option: it might be a kernel problem. I don't remember the >> specifics anymore, but on one of my systems I had similar errors. After >> replacing the disk and still getting these errors, I found hints that >> the kernel might be at fault. I then installed a newer kernel from >> backports.org and the problems went away. >> > > What processor and chipset does your motherboard use? > > Do you get > > Does changing your IDE/ATA controllers from DMA mode to PIO > mode stop the message? > > > (I had similar problems (got similar log message) with a dual-processor > AMD Athlon MP board. Apparently, the AMD chipset apparently had some > bug, the Linux didn't work around that particular bug, and the kernel's > IDE DMA code (or maybe filesystem code) wasn't very robust--it didn't > retry an operation that failed because of a detected DMA timeout, > and it didn't even detect that the operation failed and stop (panic > or something) before things (disk and filesystem state) became > inconsistent.) > > > Daniel > -- > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a > subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4C07D027.9020203(a)fgm.com > > Install the smartmontools for hard disk. This could tell you in case any real problems with your harddisk. smartctl -a /dev/hda (for ide hardisk /dev/hda) smartctl -d ata -a /dev/sda (for sata harddisk /dev/sda) change your device names with the one in your case.
From: Ralph Katz on 3 Jun 2010 13:40 On 06/03/2010 12:48 PM, Anand Sivaram wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 21:24, Daniel Barclay <daniel(a)fgm.com > <mailto:daniel(a)fgm.com>> wrote: > > Ralph, > > Jochen Schulz wrote: > > Ralph Katz: > > Lenny install on newly acquired used Dell hangs and throws > errors to > syslog. Do I have two bad disks or a more serious hardware > problem? > > > Another option: it might be a kernel problem. I don't remember the > specifics anymore, but on one of my systems I had similar > errors. After > replacing the disk and still getting these errors, I found hints > that > the kernel might be at fault. I then installed a newer kernel from > backports.org <http://backports.org> and the problems went away. > > > What processor and chipset does your motherboard use? > > Do you get > > Does changing your IDE/ATA controllers from DMA mode to PIO > mode stop the message? > > > (I had similar problems (got similar log message) with a dual-processor > AMD Athlon MP board. Apparently, the AMD chipset apparently had some > bug, the Linux didn't work around that particular bug, and the kernel's > IDE DMA code (or maybe filesystem code) wasn't very robust--it didn't > retry an operation that failed because of a detected DMA timeout, > and it didn't even detect that the operation failed and stop (panic > or something) before things (disk and filesystem state) became > inconsistent.) > > > Daniel > > > Install the smartmontools for hard disk. This could tell you in case > any real problems with your harddisk. > smartctl -a /dev/hda (for ide hardisk /dev/hda) > smartctl -d ata -a /dev/sda (for sata harddisk /dev/sda) > change your device names with the one in your case. Thanks for the replies to date. As mentioned in the original post, disk PASSED SMART tests, and computer is a P4. Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz single processor hda: UDMA/100 mode selected There are no sounds from the disk. As requested, output from smartctl -a /dev/hda is below. The following errors from this morning were in syslog prior to the most recent Smart long self test: Jun 3 08:09:52 spike kernel: [ 417.872025] hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 Jun 3 08:33:17 spike smartd[2357]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Usage Attribute: 196 Reallocated_Event_Count changed from 191 to 190 Jun 3 09:03:14 spike smartd[2357]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 7 Seek_Error_Rate changed from 100 to 200 ralph(a)spike ~$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/hda [sudo] password for ralph: smartctl version 5.38 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Western Digital Caviar SE family Device Model: WDC WD1200JB-00EVA0 Serial Number: WD-WCAEK1690109 Firmware Version: 15.05R15 User Capacity: 120,034,123,776 bytes Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: 6 ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated Local Time is: Thu Jun 3 13:29:56 2010 EDT SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x85) Offline data collection activity was aborted by an interrupting command from host. Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled. Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed without error or no self-test has ever been run. Total time to complete Offline data collection: (3999) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities: (0x79) SMART execute Offline immediate. No Auto Offline data collection support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported. No General Purpose Logging support. Short self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 55) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 5) minutes. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 200 200 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 146 143 021 Pre-fail Always - 3225 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 040 Old_age Always - 95 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 199 199 140 Pre-fail Always - 10 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 200 200 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 083 083 000 Old_age Always - 13118 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 253 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 253 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 95 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 112 253 000 Old_age Always - 38 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 190 190 000 Old_age Always - 10 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0012 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x000a 200 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0009 200 155 051 Pre-fail Offline - 0 SMART Error Log Version: 1 No Errors Logged SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 7 - # 2 Short offline Completed without error 00% 1085 - # 3 Short offline Completed without error 00% 1059 - # 4 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 1012 - # 5 Short offline Completed without error 00% 1011 - SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1 SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS 1 0 0 Not_testing 2 0 0 Not_testing 3 0 0 Not_testing 4 0 0 Not_testing 5 0 0 Not_testing Selective self-test flags (0x0): After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk. If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4C07E7B2.6050701(a)rcn.com
From: Jochen Schulz on 3 Jun 2010 13:50 Ralph Katz: > > As mentioned in the original post, disk PASSED SMART tests, and computer > is a P4. > Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz single processor > hda: UDMA/100 mode selected Which IDE controller? The controller I had problems with was: 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 03) J. -- I have never been happier than I am now; a fact which depresses me immensely. [Agree] [Disagree] <http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html>
From: Ralph Katz on 3 Jun 2010 16:40 On 06/03/2010 01:45 PM, Jochen Schulz wrote: > Ralph Katz: >> As mentioned in the original post, disk PASSED SMART tests, and computer >> is a P4. >> Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz single processor >> hda: UDMA/100 mode selected > > Which IDE controller? The controller I had problems with was: > > 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 03) > > J. Where would I find it? You think those errors could come from the controller? There is probing but no results like you posted. I only see this is /var/log/* : Jun 2 08:22:13 spike kernel: [ 2.887681] Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Jun 2 08:22:13 spike kernel: [ 2.887695] ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx Jun 2 08:22:13 spike kernel: [ 2.912223] ICH2: IDE controller (0x8086:0x244b rev 0x12) at PCI slot 0000:00:1f.1 Jun 2 08:22:13 spike kernel: [ 2.912255] ICH2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later Jun 2 08:22:13 spike kernel: [ 2.912277] ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7 Jun 2 08:22:13 spike kernel: [ 2.912295] ide1: BM-DMA at 0xffa8-0xffaf Jun 2 08:22:13 spike kernel: [ 2.912304] Probing IDE interface ide0... Jun 2 08:22:13 spike kernel: [ 3.200226] hda: WDC WD1200JB-00EVA0, ATA DISK drive Thanks, Ralph -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4C081118.5080804(a)rcn.com
From: Jochen Schulz on 3 Jun 2010 18:00 Ralph Katz: > On 06/03/2010 01:45 PM, Jochen Schulz wrote: >> >> Which IDE controller? The controller I had problems with was: >> >> 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 03) > > Where would I find it? Just run lspci. > You think those errors could come from the > controller? Yes and no. As far as I understand, it was the kernel having difficulties with that controller. But as I wrote, I don't know the specifics anymore. I just remember that I blamed the disk at first, but a replacement drive showed the same symptoms. You can easily rule this out by adding backports.org to your sources.list and trying their kernel. J. -- When standing at the top of beachy head I find the rocks below very attractive. [Agree] [Disagree] <http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html>
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