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From: Outing Trolls is FUN! on 6 Jun 2010 06:32
On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 02:07:22 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3127(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jun 5, 10:09�pm, Outing Trolls is FUN! <o...(a)trollouters.org>
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:36:47 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3...(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Put all the money and effort into good EVFs. �No one needs an LCD
>> >anyway.
>>
>> The only people who don't need an LCD viewfinder are the inexperienced or
>> ignorant non-creative snapshooters. Those who would never have need to:
>>
>
>Only people who actually need an LCD are people who don't know how to
>expose, or who simply don't trust their own ability to compose a
>shot.

The only people who advise to never actually need an LCD
are idiots who have never learned to use one to their advantage; or more
commonly, have never used one at all, ever. They are usually
pretend-photographer trolls who only role-play at knowing anything about
using cameras. They'd know better if they ever had used cameras before.



Uses for reticulated LCD viewfinders that can't be emulated with any
optical viewfinder:

1. Self-portrait compositions in video and still-frame when hiking,
kayaking, biking, or canoeing alone in remote and picturesque places.

2. Putting the back of the camera up against the wall of a cave, building's
wall, or other structure in cramped quarters where not even a wide-angle
lens will help, or more commonly, is not available.

3. Pole-photography for nature photography of rare wildlife that shouldn't
be disturbed or would be out of reach by any other normal means. (Many of
my own shots of some of the rarest orchids in the world were obtained this
way. Their habitat could not be disturbed.)

4. Shooting macro-photography subjects close to the ground, so close that
there's no room for your head or eye to get in line with an optical
viewfinder.

5. Holding the camera at an arm's length out of a train window passing over
a high canyon on a trestle. Framing and focusing photographs that look like
they were taken by a high-rise crane operator.

6. Documenting the internal workings of complex machinery where there is
only room for your arm and camera to reach the area needed to be
photographed.

7. Shooting telephoto images of birds high in the trees. Instead of craning
your neck and introducing camera-shake from neck and arm-strain from trying
to hold that pose for many many minutes. Instead you hang the camera off
the strap and stabilize it against your body. Looking DOWN into the
reticulated LCD to shoot nearly straight up. (I use this method often when
waiting for the exact moment to capture a subject high in a tree.)

8. Candid photography. Pointing your camera in one direction while everyone
thinks you are looking at something else with it. Or leaving it on your lap
or table-top, appearing as if it is going unused. (DSLR users instead try
to rely on tubes with 90-degree mirrors inside of them and a hole cut in
the side of the tube. Greatly vignetting any image taken through them.)

9. Remote-control shooting where you must stand clear of the camera, or
nearer your subject and still watch to make sure the subject remains
properly framed.

10. Holding the camera at arm's length above your head to shoot over a
crowd at some popular public event. (Or in the case of more dangerous
situations encountered by photojournalists, shooting around a corner to
evade being seen by someone who is armed or otherwise a threat to your own
personal safety. (Yes, I've used them for this reason as well.))

11. Etc., etc., etc., etc., ... (I could type unique uses for hours)


Uses for a non-reticulating LCD viewfinder that can't be emulated with any
optical viewfinder (note: all these uses also apply to reticulated LCD
viewfinders as well):

1. Using your arms and inertia of the camera to act as a very effective
"steady-cam" support when standing or sitting on rapidly moving and
bouncing modes of transportation. By holding the camera at almost a full
arm's reach, you can easily cancel out all motion in the camera. This
allows you to; for example; take close-up, tack sharp shots of stampeding
caribou alongside them while you are riding on the back of a snowmobile, or
of porpoises riding the bow-waves off of your pitching sailboat, or
capturing your friend on horseback while you are riding alongside just the
same.

2. The only known method to capture macro-photographs of small insects in
flight in natural lighting and in their natural habitat. By holding the
camera a half-arm's length from your body, you can rapidly move your camera
in 3 axes of motion, while watching in the LCD viewfinder to keep them
framed and in focus, no matter which way they travel. This is impossible to
accomplish in any optical viewfinder in existence.

3. Using the manual-focus digital-zoom feature for precision manual
focusing. Surpassing any focusing assist aids I've ever seen or used in any
optical viewfinders.

4. Framing and focusing in lighting conditions that are too dim to see in
any optical viewfinder, because most LCD equipped cameras ramp up the gain
in these lighting conditions, precisely for this purpose.

5. Using the pixelated display like a very effective full-frame
"micro-prism" focusing assist screen. By watching for scintillation in the
pixels you know precisely which areas anywhere in your framed subject are
in perfect focus. Not just those that might be in a centralized
focus-assist spot. Extremely handy for macrophotography where the shallow
depth-of-field must hit the most important portions of your whole framed
subject.

6. Precision framing of your subject. Only 3 DSLR models in existence can
claim to have 100% framing of optical viewfinder and subject. *ALL* LCD
viewfinders are 100% accurate for framing. What you see is what will be in
your final image. There will be no surprises of cut-off heads or too much
alongside the edge which you'll have to crop out later.

7. Real-time shutter-speed preview. When you change the camera's shutter
speed it is automatically relayed to the LCD viewfinder. This allows you to
correctly dial-in the exact shutter speed you need to soften that rushing
water or to make sure those hummingbird's wings will be in crisp outline,
before you even press the shutter button the very first time. The image you
are recording is exactly as it is appearing on your LCD display. Blurred
and milky waterfalls from using very slow shutter speeds, or sharp outlines
of a flying insect's wings at 1/10,000 of a second. What you see is truly
what you get in an LCD display. It's like having an automatic darkroom,
processing and printing your final images for you before you even record
them.

8. Overlaying real-time RGB histograms, DOF information, complex custom
framing and cropping grids, and other valuable information in your
viewfinder so you never have to remove your eye from the scene that you are
trying to compose and record.

9. Real-exposure preview. If you aren't seeing the intense colors of a
sunset in your LCD display because it's too bright then you won't be
capturing them. Use the EV compensation to make the image darker. When you
start to see the intense colors of the sunset in your LCD viewfinder then
they will also appear in your final image. No longer will you under or
overexpose your images because your camera's automatic settings failed in
unique lighting situations. Which happens more often than not.

10. *Novelty Use* - By placing a small fresnel-lens behind the LCD display,
in the dark you can project your images and movies onto a white (or light
gray) surface for fun viewing by a wider audience. Fun for the camping
crowd. An instant "mini-theater" to go along with snacks from the S'mores
bar and campfire-popcorn. Charge admission by demanding payment of
interesting rocks or other nature-artifacts they found. (If you have a CHDK
camera then you can use CHDK's "canonavi" utility to convert DVD movies to
a format that your camera can play back. Charge nature-artifacts admission
for showing the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy on your SD cards.)

11. Pissing off Optical Viewfinder Fanboys who are steadfastly ignorant to
all the great uses for any LCD viewfinder, and why LCDs are so much more
useful than any optical viewfinder in existence. Pitying the OVF Fanboys
while they wallow in their ignorance, inexperience, and stupidity is half
the fun.

12. Etc., etc., etc., etc., ....




From: Outing Trolls is FUN! on 6 Jun 2010 07:05
On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 02:07:22 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3127(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jun 5, 10:09�pm, Outing Trolls is FUN! <o...(a)trollouters.org>
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:36:47 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3...(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Put all the money and effort into good EVFs. �No one needs an LCD
>> >anyway.
>>
>> The only people who don't need an LCD viewfinder are the inexperienced or
>> ignorant non-creative snapshooters. Those who would never have need to:
>>
>
>Only people who actually need an LCD are people who don't know how to
>expose, or who simply don't trust their own ability to compose a
>shot.

The only people who advise to never actually need an LCD
are idiots who have never learned to use one to their advantage; or more
commonly, have never used one at all, ever. They are usually
pretend-photographer trolls who only role-play at knowing anything about
using cameras. They'd know better if they ever had used cameras before.



Uses for reticulated LCD viewfinders that can't be emulated with any
optical viewfinder:

1. Self-portrait compositions in video and still-frame when hiking,
kayaking, biking, or canoeing alone in remote and picturesque places.

2. Putting the back of the camera up against the wall of a cave, building's
wall, or other structure in cramped quarters where not even a wide-angle
lens will help, or more commonly, is not available.

3. Pole-photography for nature photography of rare wildlife that shouldn't
be disturbed or would be out of reach by any other normal means. (Many of
my own shots of some of the rarest orchids in the world were obtained this
way. Their habitat could not be disturbed.)

4. Shooting macro-photography subjects close to the ground, so close that
there's no room for your head or eye to get in line with an optical
viewfinder.

5. Holding the camera at an arm's length out of a train window passing over
a high canyon on a trestle. Framing and focusing photographs that look like
they were taken by a high-rise crane operator.

6. Documenting the internal workings of complex machinery where there is
only room for your arm and camera to reach the area needed to be
photographed.

7. Shooting telephoto images of birds high in the trees. Instead of craning
your neck and introducing camera-shake from neck and arm-strain from trying
to hold that pose for many many minutes. Instead you hang the camera off
the strap and stabilize it against your body. Looking DOWN into the
reticulated LCD to shoot nearly straight up. (I use this method often when
waiting for the exact moment to capture a subject high in a tree.)

8. Candid photography. Pointing your camera in one direction while everyone
thinks you are looking at something else with it. Or leaving it on your lap
or table-top, appearing as if it is going unused. (DSLR users instead try
to rely on tubes with 90-degree mirrors inside of them and a hole cut in
the side of the tube. Greatly vignetting any image taken through them.)

9. Remote-control shooting where you must stand clear of the camera, or
nearer your subject and still watch to make sure the subject remains
properly framed.

10. Holding the camera at arm's length above your head to shoot over a
crowd at some popular public event. (Or in the case of more dangerous
situations encountered by photojournalists, shooting around a corner to
evade being seen by someone who is armed or otherwise a threat to your own
personal safety. (Yes, I've used them for this reason as well.))

11. Etc., etc., etc., etc., ... (I could type unique uses for hours)


Uses for a non-reticulating LCD viewfinder that can't be emulated with any
optical viewfinder (note: all these uses also apply to reticulated LCD
viewfinders as well):

1. Using your arms and inertia of the camera to act as a very effective
"steady-cam" support when standing or sitting on rapidly moving and
bouncing modes of transportation. By holding the camera at almost a full
arm's reach, you can easily cancel out all motion in the camera. This
allows you to; for example; take close-up, tack sharp shots of stampeding
caribou alongside them while you are riding on the back of a snowmobile, or
of porpoises riding the bow-waves off of your pitching sailboat, or
capturing your friend on horseback while you are riding alongside just the
same.

2. The only known method to capture macro-photographs of small insects in
flight in natural lighting and in their natural habitat. By holding the
camera a half-arm's length from your body, you can rapidly move your camera
in 3 axes of motion, while watching in the LCD viewfinder to keep them
framed and in focus, no matter which way they travel. This is impossible to
accomplish in any optical viewfinder in existence.

3. Using the manual-focus digital-zoom feature for precision manual
focusing. Surpassing any focusing assist aids I've ever seen or used in any
optical viewfinders.

4. Framing and focusing in lighting conditions that are too dim to see in
any optical viewfinder, because most LCD equipped cameras ramp up the gain
in these lighting conditions, precisely for this purpose.

5. Using the pixelated display like a very effective full-frame
"micro-prism" focusing assist screen. By watching for scintillation in the
pixels you know precisely which areas anywhere in your framed subject are
in perfect focus. Not just those that might be in a centralized
focus-assist spot. Extremely handy for macrophotography where the shallow
depth-of-field must hit the most important portions of your whole framed
subject.

6. Precision framing of your subject. Only 3 DSLR models in existence can
claim to have 100% framing of optical viewfinder and subject. *ALL* LCD
viewfinders are 100% accurate for framing. What you see is what will be in
your final image. There will be no surprises of cut-off heads or too much
alongside the edge which you'll have to crop out later.

7. Real-time shutter-speed preview. When you change the camera's shutter
speed it is automatically relayed to the LCD viewfinder. This allows you to
correctly dial-in the exact shutter speed you need to soften that rushing
water or to make sure those hummingbird's wings will be in crisp outline,
before you even press the shutter button the very first time. The image you
are recording is exactly as it is appearing on your LCD display. Blurred
and milky waterfalls from using very slow shutter speeds, or sharp outlines
of a flying insect's wings at 1/10,000 of a second. What you see is truly
what you get in an LCD display. It's like having an automatic darkroom,
processing and printing your final images for you before you even record
them.

8. Overlaying real-time RGB histograms, DOF information, complex custom
framing and cropping grids, and other valuable information in your
viewfinder so you never have to remove your eye from the scene that you are
trying to compose and record.

9. Real-exposure preview. If you aren't seeing the intense colors of a
sunset in your LCD display because it's too bright then you won't be
capturing them. Use the EV compensation to make the image darker. When you
start to see the intense colors of the sunset in your LCD viewfinder then
they will also appear in your final image. No longer will you under or
overexpose your images because your camera's automatic settings failed in
unique lighting situations. Which happens more often than not.

10. *Novelty Use* - By placing a small fresnel-lens behind the LCD display,
in the dark you can project your images and movies onto a white (or light
gray) surface for fun viewing by a wider audience. Fun for the camping
crowd. An instant "mini-theater" to go along with snacks from the S'mores
bar and campfire-popcorn. Charge admission by demanding payment of
interesting rocks or other nature-artifacts they found. (If you have a CHDK
camera then you can use CHDK's "canonavi" utility to convert DVD movies to
a format that your camera can play back. Charge nature-artifacts admission
for showing the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy on your SD cards.)

11. Pissing off Optical Viewfinder Fanboys who are steadfastly ignorant to
all the great uses for any LCD viewfinder, and why LCDs are so much more
useful than any optical viewfinder in existence. Pitying the OVF Fanboys
while they wallow in their ignorance, inexperience, and stupidity is half
the fun.

12. (Another's recent post reminded me of another important use.) When
putting your camera in B&W mode (or Sepia "scene mode" if your camera lacks
a B&W mode), you can see the subject in real-time in B&W (monotone
intensities). You don't have to do the mental gymnastics needed to ignore
all the colors in a scene to properly compose your shot for just the
shadings of black to white. Save the RAW data for further "Channel Mixer"
manipulation later. In the meantime the real-time B&W view in the LCD
display will already be a very close approximation to your required final
results.

13. Etc., etc., etc., etc., ....




From: Outing Trolls is FUN! on 6 Jun 2010 08:28
Damn typo correction needed.


On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 02:07:22 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3127(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jun 5, 10:09�pm, Outing Trolls is FUN! <o...(a)trollouters.org>
>wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:36:47 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3...(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Put all the money and effort into good EVFs. �No one needs an LCD
>> >anyway.
>>
>> The only people who don't need an LCD viewfinder are the inexperienced or
>> ignorant non-creative snapshooters. Those who would never have need to:
>>
>
>Only people who actually need an LCD are people who don't know how to
>expose, or who simply don't trust their own ability to compose a
>shot.

The only people who advise to never actually need an LCD
are idiots who have never learned to use one to their advantage; or more
commonly, have never used one at all, ever. They are usually
pretend-photographer trolls who only role-play at knowing anything about
using cameras. They'd know better if they ever had used cameras before.



Uses for articulated LCD viewfinders that can't be emulated with any
optical viewfinder:

1. Self-portrait compositions in video and still-frame when hiking,
kayaking, biking, or canoeing alone in remote and picturesque places.

2. Putting the back of the camera up against the wall of a cave, building's
wall, or other structure in cramped quarters where not even a wide-angle
lens will help, or more commonly, is not available.

3. Pole-photography for nature photography of rare wildlife that shouldn't
be disturbed or would be out of reach by any other normal means. (Many of
my own shots of some of the rarest orchids in the world were obtained this
way. Their habitat could not be disturbed.)

4. Shooting macro-photography subjects close to the ground, so close that
there's no room for your head or eye to get in line with an optical
viewfinder.

5. Holding the camera at an arm's length out of a train window passing over
a high canyon on a trestle. Framing and focusing photographs that look like
they were taken by a high-rise crane operator.

6. Documenting the internal workings of complex machinery where there is
only room for your arm and camera to reach the area needed to be
photographed.

7. Shooting telephoto images of birds high in the trees. Instead of craning
your neck and introducing camera-shake from neck and arm-strain from trying
to hold that pose for many many minutes. Instead you hang the camera off
the strap and stabilize it against your body. Looking DOWN into the
articulated LCD to shoot nearly straight up. (I use this method often when
waiting for the exact moment to capture a subject high in a tree.)

8. Candid photography. Pointing your camera in one direction while everyone
thinks you are looking at something else with it. Or leaving it on your lap
or table-top, appearing as if it is going unused. (DSLR users instead try
to rely on tubes with 90-degree mirrors inside of them and a hole cut in
the side of the tube. Greatly vignetting any image taken through them.)

9. Remote-control shooting where you must stand clear of the camera, or
nearer your subject and still watch to make sure the subject remains
properly framed.

10. Holding the camera at arm's length above your head to shoot over a
crowd at some popular public event. (Or in the case of more dangerous
situations encountered by photojournalists, shooting around a corner to
evade being seen by someone who is armed or otherwise a threat to your own
personal safety. (Yes, I've used them for this reason as well.))

11. Etc., etc., etc., etc., ... (I could type unique uses for hours)


Uses for a non-articulating LCD viewfinder that can't be emulated with any
optical viewfinder (note: all these uses also apply to articulated LCD
viewfinders as well):

1. Using your arms and inertia of the camera to act as a very effective
"steady-cam" support when standing or sitting on rapidly moving and
bouncing modes of transportation. By holding the camera at almost a full
arm's reach, you can easily cancel out all motion in the camera. This
allows you to; for example; take close-up, tack sharp shots of stampeding
caribou while you are riding on the back of a snowmobile alongside them, or
of porpoises riding the bow-waves off of your pitching sailboat, or
capturing your friend on horseback while you are riding alongside just the
same.

2. The only known method to capture macro-photographs of small insects in
flight in natural lighting and in their natural habitat. By holding the
camera a half-arm's length from your body, you can rapidly move your camera
in 3 axes of motion, while watching in the LCD viewfinder to keep them
framed and in focus, no matter which way they travel. This is impossible to
accomplish in any optical viewfinder in existence.

3. Using the manual-focus digital-zoom feature for precision manual
focusing. Surpassing any focusing assist aids I've ever seen or used in any
optical viewfinders.

4. Framing and focusing in lighting conditions that are too dim to see in
any optical viewfinder, because most LCD equipped cameras ramp up the gain
in these lighting conditions, precisely for this purpose.

5. Using the pixelated display like a very effective full-frame
"micro-prism" focusing assist screen. By watching for scintillation in the
pixels you know precisely which areas anywhere in your framed subject are
in perfect focus. Not just those that might be in a centralized
focus-assist spot. Extremely handy for macrophotography where the shallow
depth-of-field must hit the most important portions of your whole framed
subject.

6. Precision framing of your subject. Only 3 DSLR models in existence can
claim to have 100% framing of optical viewfinder and subject. *ALL* LCD
viewfinders are 100% accurate for framing. What you see is what will be in
your final image. There will be no surprises of cut-off heads or too much
alongside the edge which you'll have to crop out later.

7. Real-time shutter-speed preview. When you change the camera's shutter
speed it is automatically relayed to the LCD viewfinder. This allows you to
correctly dial-in the exact shutter speed you need to soften that rushing
water or to make sure those hummingbird's wings will be in crisp outline,
before you even press the shutter button the very first time. The image you
are recording is exactly as it is appearing on your LCD display. Blurred
and milky waterfalls from using very slow shutter speeds, or sharp outlines
of a flying insect's wings at 1/10,000 of a second. What you see is truly
what you get in an LCD display. It's like having an automatic darkroom,
processing and printing your final images for you before you even record
them.

8. Overlaying real-time RGB histograms, DOF information, complex custom
framing and cropping grids, and other valuable information in your
viewfinder so you never have to remove your eye from the scene that you are
trying to compose and record.

9. Real-exposure preview. If you aren't seeing the intense colors of a
sunset in your LCD display because it's too bright then you won't be
capturing them. Use the EV compensation to make the image darker. When you
start to see the intense colors of the sunset in your LCD viewfinder then
they will also appear in your final image. No longer will you under or
overexpose your images because your camera's automatic settings failed in
unique lighting situations. Which happens more often than not.

10. *Novelty Use* - By placing a small fresnel-lens behind the LCD display,
in the dark you can project your images and movies onto a white (or light
gray) surface for fun viewing by a wider audience. Fun for the camping
crowd. An instant "mini-theater" to go along with snacks from the S'mores
bar and campfire-popcorn. Charge admission by demanding payment of
interesting rocks or other nature-artifacts they found. (If you have a CHDK
camera then you can use CHDK's "canonavi" utility to convert DVD movies to
a format that your camera can play back. Charge nature-artifacts admission
for showing the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy on your SD cards.)

11. Pissing off Optical Viewfinder Fanboys who are steadfastly ignorant to
all the great uses for any LCD viewfinder, and why LCDs are so much more
useful than any optical viewfinder in existence. Pitying the OVF Fanboys
while they wallow in their ignorance, inexperience, and stupidity is half
the fun.

12. (Another's recent post reminded me of another important use.) When
putting your camera in B&W mode (or Sepia "scene mode" if your camera lacks
a B&W mode), you can see the subject in real-time in B&W (monotone
intensities). You don't have to do the mental gymnastics needed to ignore
all the colors in a scene to properly compose your shot for just the
shadings of black to white. Save the RAW data for further "Channel Mixer"
manipulation later. In the meantime the real-time B&W view in the LCD
display will already be a very close approximation to your required final
results.

13. Etc., etc., etc., etc., ....




From: Val Hallah on 6 Jun 2010 13:11
On Jun 5, 10:36 pm, RichA <rander3...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Put all the money and effort into good EVFs.  No one needs an LCD
> anyway.

howabout 'blue tooth' connection from camera to the HUD on my
glasses....
From: Rich on 6 Jun 2010 13:57
Outing Trolls is FUN! <otif(a)trollouters.org> wrote in
news:hqpm06preqlfle26nmp50i9cpar3ui4cru(a)4ax.com:

> On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 02:07:22 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3127(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 5, 10:09�pm, Outing Trolls is FUN! <o...(a)trollouters.org>
>>wrote:
>>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:36:47 -0700 (PDT), RichA
>>> <rander3...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Put all the money and effort into good EVFs. �No one needs an LCD
>>> >anyway.
>>>
>>> The only people who don't need an LCD viewfinder are the
>>> inexperienced or ignorant non-creative snapshooters. Those who would
>>> never have need to:
>>>
>>
>>Only people who actually need an LCD are people who don't know how to
>>expose, or who simply don't trust their own ability to compose a
>>shot.
>
> The only people who advise to never actually need an LCD
> are idiots who have never learned to use one to their advantage

You must have suffered so during the film era.


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