From: Michael Gordge on
On Jan 9, 12:53 pm, Patricia Aldoraz <patricia.aldo...(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> It is a search for anything over 50%. Until this is
> understood, it is impossible to understand what so troubled Hume and
> modern versions of the problem

Its time to get ready for church Patsy, chazzz will save ewe a seat.

MG
From: J. Clarke on
dorayme wrote:
> In article <cWI1n.2906$%P5.1213(a)newsfe21.iad>, DanB <abc(a)some.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Marshall wrote:
>>>
>>> if math is just a game, then
>>> what basis is there for claiming anything
>>> like "correctness" for any particular mathematical
>>> statement?
>>
>> Axioms that are 'accepted' as truth.
>
> Why the qualifying quotes?
>
> The point is that in a game, truth does not figure prominently. In
> maths and physics, truth is a bigish player.

In math "truth" is whatever you develop logically from your axioms. Some
sets of axioms lead to interesting games, some don't. And some sets lead to
games that are actually useful.

From: Les Cargill on
Patricia Aldoraz wrote:
> On Jan 9, 3:35 am, John Stafford <n...(a)droffats.net> wrote:
>
>> Text analysis is not trivial. Learn up.
>
> It is trivially related to this thread.

It's also threadily related to the trivial :)

--
Les Cargill
From: J. Clarke on
dorayme wrote:
> In article <hi7h9j02hcj(a)news1.newsguy.com>,
> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote:
>
>> dorayme wrote:
>>> In article <hi6vno031jr(a)news3.newsguy.com>,
>>> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm seeing "axiom"
>>>> tossed around here by people who clearly don't understand how the
>>>> term is used in mathematics.
>>>
>>> You are seeing no such thing, you are a hypocrite. You tried your
>>> best to manufacture this and when things go sticky for you, you
>>> turned to personal denigration. It is all there on the record.
>>
>> Uh huh. Find a PhD mathematician who disagrees with me.
>
> You find one.

Why would I want to find a PhD mathematician who disagrees with me?

> And let him post his findings in open discussion. You
> are an abject coward and make allegations that you do not in any way
> evidence. You just sit there blurting out half-baked ideas and abusing
> people for *no good reason*. look at the record, you imbecile.

It seems that everyone disagrees with you and they are all "imbeciles" "in
the basketweaving class", but you alone in all the world are brilliant and
correct. Do you also slay vampires?

From: DanB on
Marshall wrote:
> On Jan 8, 8:19 am, DanB<a...(a)some.net> wrote:
>> Marshall wrote:
>>
>>> Or again I ask: if math is just a game, then
>>> what basis is there for claiming anything
>>> like "correctness" for any particular mathematical
>>> statement?
>>
>> Axioms that are 'accepted' as truth.
>
> That's supposed to be the basis? Just that noun
> phrase by itself?

Don't obfuscate, it is the way it is. Try the dictionary.

> And anyway, axioms themselves also come from
> somewhere. They are not just arbitrary creations
> of man.

Yes they are, look it up instead of guessing.

> Suppose I want to investigate two-element algebras.
> How many unary functions are possible? I claim that
> there is only a single correct answer to that question:
> four. This can be established by simple case analysis.

The premise is 'your' claim or of some one else. Analysis is a result of
some previous 'truth'.

> If axioms are what it's all about, please demonstrate
> so.

Look it up, 'axiom', nothing to demonstrate from there.

> Show me how choosing some axioms that are
> 'accepted' as truth can make the right answer come
> out three. Ideally you will also show how accepting
> those axioms also makes case analysis come up with
> the answer three.

Accepting an axiom determines results. It is just that simple. Nothing
to demonstrate unless you are trying to call me out on 'belief'. Won't
work, I have little interest in belief. Are you getting this?