Ebay and shill bidding, finally someone is charged
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From: Russ D on 22 Jul 2010 18:10 On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:52:29 -0400, jls <notvalid(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:09:59 -0500, Russ D <russd(a)myowndomain.org> >wrote: > >>f Isn't this the whole point to free-trade, commerce, and >>capitalism? Whoever can screw-over the other guy the best, wins? Until I >>learn otherwise from a preponderance of examples in society I'll keep the >>thieves' secret safe with me. It may come in handy the next time I'm >>bidding on a really nice item. >> >> > >To your initial question, the answer is an unequivocal NO. That is >not "the whole point" of "free-trade, commerce, and capitalism". > >The fact that people exist who are willing to exploit weaknesses in a >system doesn't not mean that the system was designed with this in >mind. > >You're merely exploiting the exploiters, which doesn't make you any >better than they are. Imho, a better solution is to identify all >exploiters and take action - this effectively fixes the weaknesses. It >doesn't have to be perfect, but if it significantly reduces the >success rate (i.e., the profitability) for the fraudsters, then it >will become less of an incentive for them. Pay me $7,000,000 to give you their secret. Then the weaknesses in the system will be restored. That's capitalism. I have something you want. Pay me for it at the price that I determine is fair. $7 million is a small drop in the bucket compared to how many millions that ebay, paypal, buyers, and reputable sellers are losing to these scammers. I'd say that $7 million is an excellent bargain price. Especially for something that will benefit all for many many years to come. Cough it up! While I wait for you to pay that, I'll keep winning the best deals on ebay while all others get scammed. Your choice. While typing this I noticed that the price jumped from $1 million to $4 million, and in final editing it went to $7 million. It doesn't appear that the price is dropping any time soon. You might want to get in on this deal before the price jumps up even higher.
From: Russ D on 22 Jul 2010 18:17 On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:04:14 +0100, bugbear <bugbear(a)trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> wrote: >Russ D wrote: >> >> When buying a nice electronic piano not long ago, I noticed a pattern with >> some sellers. Since I research things for a long time before deciding on a >> purchase, this gave me several weeks of watching some items being sold on >> ebay and how they were panning out. There's a large group of sellers who >> are completely bogus. They just take the paypal payment and run. At first I >> thought of reporting the simple pattern they use and how to spot them. But >> then I noticed that all bidders would bid on their items, leaving the >> genuine sellers alone. > >Really? This means all the others bidders could tell the difference >too. And were deliberately bidding with the crooks. > >That sounds ... unlikely. Yes, very unlikely, because your thinking is fucked-up. They *could* tell the difference between reputable sellers and the con-artists, but ONLY if they knew what I figured out. Apparently they haven't figured that out or it wouldn't be working in my favor. Get it? No, you don't get it. Because you can't even figure out this much yet. You'd most certainly be one of those who were busily bidding on a scam item while I was off on the side being the lone bidder on a valid item. That much is clear.
From: Twibil on 22 Jul 2010 18:26 On Jul 22, 3:17 pm, Russ D <ru...(a)myowndomain.org> wrote: > > > You'd most certainly be one of those who were busily bidding on a scam item > while I was off on the side being the lone bidder on a valid item. That > much is clear. Say hello to Nurse Ratched for us, hum?
From: jls on 26 Jul 2010 13:53 On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:10:27 -0500, Russ D <russd(a)myowndomain.org> wrote: >On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:52:29 -0400, jls <notvalid(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >>You're merely exploiting the exploiters, which doesn't make you any >>better than they are. Imho, a better solution is to identify all >>exploiters and take action - this effectively fixes the weaknesses. It >>doesn't have to be perfect, but if it significantly reduces the >>success rate (i.e., the profitability) for the fraudsters, then it >>will become less of an incentive for them. > >Pay me $7,000,000 to give you their secret. Then the weaknesses in the >system will be restored. > >That's capitalism. I have something you want. Pay me for it at the price >that I determine is fair. $7 million is a small drop in the bucket compared >to how many millions that ebay, paypal, buyers, and reputable sellers are >losing to these scammers. I'd say that $7 million is an excellent bargain >price. Especially for something that will benefit all for many many years >to come. > That's capitalism in the same sense that you want me to pay for that stolen DVD player you're selling me out of the trunk of your car, I suppose. Theft may exist, but that doesn't mean that theft defines what capitalism is.
From: Russ D on 27 Jul 2010 13:30
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:21:30 -0400, jls <notvalid(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >Okay, how about putting it this way: You're buying something stolen >from the back of someone's car. Does that make you feel better? >You're still exploiting the illegal behavior of someone, just as you >are on ebay. Nope, I never bought ANYTHING that was stolen. I just happen to be able to decipher who are the valid sellers from the con-artists. I bought from the valid sellers. It's not my fault that all the valid seller's potential customers were being strongly detracted by thieves.That's their problem, not mine. I sleep perfectly content at night knowing I played by everyone's rules, even the thieves rules. LOL! Keep boo-hooing and twisting the facts to try to manipulate me all you want. I'm not going to tell the simple way to determine the con-artists from the valid sellers on e-bait. Well, unless you want to cough-up the $7 million price I've set for my own simple discovery that protects me from bidding on con-artists' scams. Have you thought about tugging on your mommy's apron strings and seeing if you can get another cookie with your woeful tears? You might have better luck at that. |